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Posted: October 21 2018 at 11:29
^ I recognize this slant you put on everything, I've seen this kind of outlook before. I've had friends and family members get suckered by this sort of nazi or borderline nazi type thinking. You should know that any speck of this sort of thing is very familiar to some people. We've dealt with it before.
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Posted: October 21 2018 at 12:11
omphaloskepsis wrote:
The main stream media reports way more on Hitler's Germany than Stalin's USSR or Mao's China even though both Communist regimes murdered millions more of their own people than Hitler's Germany. China and the USSR murdered 100 million of their own people. The main difference being that Stalin and Mao's genocides are largely ignored by the socialist loving main stream media.
Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero
Cicero was, of course, very perceptive for a 2nd century Roman. Dull people tediously regurgitate inanity because they haven't the ability to take information and decipher it in a contextual basis. Given that the Nazi regime was defeated and hordes of data was recovered before it could be destroyed, that witnesses could openly provide evidence, and that the perpetrators directly responsible for the Nazi regime could be interrogated, a complete and detailed body of forensic research has been compiled.
On the other hand, both Russia and China are closed societies. The USSR (and now the totalitarian oligarchy of Putin) and Communist China would never permit anyone to pervade their inner workings. Investigations into what occurred during Maoist or Stalinist regimes were limited or nonexistent. Certainly, no independent investigations like through the United Nations or the World Court were ever allowed to provide any detail whatsoever, and there can never really be any direct evidence as to how many million murders happened during those regimes.
That's where the word "context" comes in. So, to say these genocides are or were "largely ignored by the socialist loving main stream media" is utterly lacking in context, and there is no information that can be reported. There is no external investigation that Putin or Xi Jinping will allow now, nor would communist Russia or China allow any outside verification after the atrocities occurred (Mao's Great Leap Forward 1958-1962 and Stalinist Holodomor in the 1930s).
As far as being "underreported", how old are you, twelve? Home schooling failed you? Please refer to the Berlin Airlift, the Korean War, The Vietnam War or the Cold War in your middle school history textbook for how long the U.S. fought against the evils of these communist regimes (including reporting on Stalin and Mao). And how it was reported day by day by day by day by day, culminating in President Reagan demanding the USSR "tear down this wall".
Get a clue.
Edited by The Dark Elf - October 21 2018 at 12:16
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 05:59
Far Left Trump derangement syndrome democrats push folks like Tim Pool and me away. (we're slightly left of center). If you don't wish to watch the video, I'll summarize- " Tim appeared at an event that Stefan Molyneux and then was cursed out by leader of the Young Turks because Tim Pool was videotaped in the vicinity of a conservative"
Even though the leader of the Young Turks was at the same event with Stefan Molyneux. Long story short...Tim Pool pleads with The Left to not aim violence, insults, and mean energy at old fashion liberals as it is very off-putting.
Cindy's take? A significant number of Democrats have walked away from the party because attitudes displayed by far left extremists who believe you are a traitor if you say hello to a conservative.
Earlier, I posted a video of Styx. Dark Elf accused Styx of white supremacy because he debated Richard Spencer. What the Dark Elf didn't say was that Styx is anti white supremist. In my opinion, Styx easily won the debate against Richard Spencer. I don't expect you to watch the debate but this is proof that Styx is definitely Anti White Supremist.
Here's the link for those who wish to see Styx slaughter White Supremacy.
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 09:11
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Far Left Trump derangement syndrome democrats push folks like Tim Pool and me away.
dear God...
and yet Far Right hate and racism syndrome Trump and Republicans push hasn't pushed you away or to at least understand WHY so many Americans (this is not simply partisan politics) have a real f**king problem with him and that goddamned party.
oh hell.. why do I bother.
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 09:19
and I have my suspicions.. much like John.. but I'll play here.
you call yourself Left of Center.. fair enough... as do I and have explained why including some of my right of center beliefs.
Let me ask you...why do you call yourself that. On what issues do you base that assessment upon. Color me extremely curious.... but more than a bit skeptical of your claim to be honest.
Edited by micky - October 23 2018 at 09:19
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 18:33
micky wrote:
and I have my suspicions.. much like John.. but I'll play here.
you call yourself Left of Center.. fair enough... as do I and have explained why including some of my right of center beliefs.
Let me ask you...why do you call yourself that. On what issues do you base that assessment upon. Color me extremely curious.... but more than a bit skeptical of your claim to be honest.
Edited by omphaloskepsis - October 23 2018 at 18:57
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 18:34
omphaloskepsis wrote:
micky wrote:
and I have my suspicions.. much like John.. but I'll play here.
you call yourself Left of Center.. fair enough... as do I and have explained why including some of my right of center beliefs.
Let me ask you...why do you call yourself that. On what issues do you base that assessment upon. Color me extremely curious.... but more than a bit skeptical of your claim to be honest.
I'd say I'm slightly left of center. I agree with the way Sweden currently runs it's school system, health, and economy. Although I was against the way Sweden ran it's economy in the 70's and 80's. (As a hobby I study world economies of the last 120 years)
Although I would never abort a baby I don't judge women who do abort babies. I'm against BIG centralized government. I want the America Federal government to give more power to the States and I wish the States would give more power to local communities. I think America should maintain a minimum of troops on foreign soil and bring our soldiers home. I want the FED nationalized.
Where do I probably disagree heavily with most leftists? America has to make a choice...
If America wants an extensive welfare system then America must protect it's borders from illegal immigration. If America wants to abolish it's borders than America must dismantle the welfare system and minimize it. American can't thrive with open borders and a large Welfare State. Hundreds of millions of immigrants would overwhelm the system. Another thing. America has the largest military in the world by far. American can't initiate, run, and maintain welfare states like the EU because American spends far more on the Military than the EU states. America needs to pull it's troops out of the EU and encourage the EU states to defend themselves. America needs to encourage Japan to take care of itself militarily.
I'm for Immigration by merit and a social system similar to Sweden. The far left claim America is a nation of immigrants. True, but I'd rather encourage Albert Einstein types to immigrate vs folks who would immediately hook into America welfare system. I'm totally for legal immigration. I welcome legal immigration.
Trump immigration view wasn't much different than Obama's...
Ideally I'm a libertarian however I realize that a libertarian utopia is impossible. And that's why some of my beliefs seem at odds with classical libertarianism. I'm looking for practical solutions that can be incorporated within the next 30 years.
Because an altruistic gene can't overtake a population... pure communism and libertarianism can't work in reality. It's impossible. Like most libertarians, I want the government and people to leave me alone. However there are two types of people in this world. Folks who leave you alone and folks who wish to control every aspect of your life. Communism can't work because hard workers won't tolerate ALL their resources redistributed. Hard workers slow down and become passive aggressive, while the lazy folks get lazier. Biologically, behaviorally, neither communism or libertarianism can work in the real world. The only current true socialist countries in the world are China, North Korea, Laos and Vietnam. Look it up. Even China incorporates capitalism.
I'm 100% for Term Limits for House, Senate, Governor ect...
Edited by omphaloskepsis - October 23 2018 at 19:33
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 19:50
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ ditto on Stalin, the main difference being that his actions don't get denied by nazi loving conspiracy theory types.
The main stream media reports way more on Hitler's Germany than Stalin's USSR or Mao's China even though both Communist regimes murdered millions more of their own people than Hitler's Germany. China and the USSR murdered 100 million of their own people. The main difference being that Stalin and Mao's genocides are largely ignored by the socialist loving main stream media.
Ironically Hitler's Nazi's, USSR, and China were/are all socialist governments. The main difference? Communist socialist nationalizes means of productions while Nazi's supported privatization of industry. The point? Authoritative, totalitarian Government is inherently evil. All types of government are corrupt. Centralized big government is more corrupt than localized smaller government such as city, county, and state. Why should unelected bureaucrats and government officials thousands of miles away run my life?
Why should either elected or unelected bureaucrats one mile away run my life? Centralized big government is not necessarily more corrupt. I have found local building inspectors rather most troublesome in my life in the past. Occasionally, centralized big government from far away defends the right of people to vote when it is denied to them by their state or local government. The often ignored internal contradiction of libertarianism is that local governance does not equal individual freedom. It is quite often in great conflict with it.
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 20:01
HackettFan wrote:
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ ditto on Stalin, the main difference being that his actions don't get denied by nazi loving conspiracy theory types.
The main stream media reports way more on Hitler's Germany than Stalin's USSR or Mao's China even though both Communist regimes murdered millions more of their own people than Hitler's Germany. China and the USSR murdered 100 million of their own people. The main difference being that Stalin and Mao's genocides are largely ignored by the socialist loving main stream media.
Ironically Hitler's Nazi's, USSR, and China were/are all socialist governments. The main difference? Communist socialist nationalizes means of productions while Nazi's supported privatization of industry. The point? Authoritative, totalitarian Government is inherently evil. All types of government are corrupt. Centralized big government is more corrupt than localized smaller government such as city, county, and state. Why should unelected bureaucrats and government officials thousands of miles away run my life?
Why should either elected or unelected bureaucrats one mile away run my life? Centralized big government is not necessarily more corrupt. I have found local building inspectors rather most troublesome in my life in the past. Occasionally, centralized big government from far away defends the right of people to vote when it is denied to them by their state or local government. The often ignored internal contradiction of libertarianism is that local governance does not equal individual freedom. It is quite often in great conflict with it.
True, this reminds me of the civil rights era when the federal government had to step in and force many states to give African Americans their full civil rights. The local governments, in this case, were not doing their job to insure all of their citizens had full civil rights.
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 20:21
omphaloskepsis wrote:
I'm for Immigration by merit and a social system similar to Sweden.
If you study world economy you must know that they collect over 60% of personal income in taxes in Sweden (with the upper tax bracket over 80%). That's how they pay for their welfare state with free medicine, education, and myriads of other social programs. And their defense spending is only $5 billion. In contrast, the US population pay about 35% of personal income in taxes of which well over $600 billion allocated to the defense budget. So to implement the Scandinavian/Swedish model in the US and keep the current levels of spending, income tax should be increased by 30-35% (most likely more than that). Now imagine 70% of your income being deducted from your paycheck and your buying power decreasing significantly..... How would it impact the US economy? And what would happen to the world economy? The US consumes most of the over-production of the developed countries, Sweden in particular. What will happen to their welfare model if we stop buying their Volvo cars, Ikea furniture, etc. as we do today?
Sweden's socialism is a welfare state brought to you by American consumption.
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 20:29
^ Thank you.
It's like when people say we should 'tax the churches'. The result would be far fewer churches> an unchanged rate for taxpayers> and a revenue base that stays the same.
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 21:09
Argumenta about Sweden's tax system aside, I agree with the essential premise that a welfare state combined with porous borders would be a fiscal mess. Yes, there are other things US could do to balance the budget like downsizing its empire or taking the rich more. But the first responsibility of an elected govt is to provide services to citizens, not those who have crossed the border illegally. However, what services exactly can an illegal immigrant avail of? Or do they fraudulently obtain social security numbers?
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 21:53
I don't think you will find anyone who actually thinks illegal immigration is good, but what is bothersome is that we have a president who pretty much rode that one issue to the white house. Will removing illegal immigrants fix all the problems in a country, of course not, will it even make a dent in things, maybe and maybe not.
Over playing this issue has worked well for trump because it plays on people's irrational fears and prejudices. Sure, lets try to control immigration, but lets also try to control our irrational fears and our demagogues who play on those fears for their own gain.
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Posted: October 23 2018 at 23:26
Easy Money wrote:
I don't think you will find anyone who actually thinks illegal immigration is good, but what is bothersome is that we have a president who pretty much rode that one issue to the white house. Will removing illegal immigrants fix all the problems in a country, of course not, will it even make a dent in things, maybe and maybe not.
Over playing this issue has worked well for trump because it plays on people's irrational fears and prejudices. Sure, lets try to control immigration, but lets also try to control our irrational fears and our demagogues who play on those fears for their own gain.
Could also be that Democrat tone deafness is playing into his hands. If he's overplaying it, just make it a non issue. Say you don't agree with anti Mexican slurs but that illegal immigration is indeed a problem. Next. I have a friend living in SF and he says even if he merely mentions that he actually had to go through the legal process to get in (and it's a long wait with a lottery and all) he is labelled anti immigration. Such rhetoric is not very helpful. It has been pointed out that Obama too was deporting many, many illegal immigrants anyway. Perhaps pointing out that Trump was manufacturing dystopia out of nothing than to sound horrified about everything he says would have been/would be more effective political strategy.
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Posted: October 24 2018 at 03:32
npjnpj wrote:
I'm amazed. 2 weeks before the elections everything seems to be falling into place for Trump.
It's full blown satanic black magic in action.
Based on observing the Modi regime (he is the 'role model' for Trump and his role model in turn is Erdogan), it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Trump get out of this. I see the same whataboutery from Trump supporters that I see from those of Modi. And here too, the opposition is fighting along conventional arguments and failing miserably.
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