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Rednight
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Thick as a Brick, I'm afraid. Side 2 doesn't do much for me as opposed to the strengths of Side 1.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Dellinger
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^ For me the problem with Thick as a Brick isn't a Side 1 vs Side 2 (though I do find Side 1 to be the stronger one), but in general both sides have great parts, yet they drag on a bit too much. I do love much better the live version of the song on Live, Bursting Out, than the studio Side 1, because it keeps exactly what I love from the song. The same could be done with Side 2.
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Mortte
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I love the whole Thick as a Brick! And always thought those shorter versions are just torso, donīt like to listen them much, of course I was glad theyīre played at least torso of it in the concert where I was.
If I am right, they never have played full Thick or a Passion Play many times. Edited by Mortte - September 19 2018 at 02:23 |
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digdug
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none of these are over rated imo
They all changed the face of Prog in their own way
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Prog On!
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Logan
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I'd say that all of these in all probability have been both overrated and underrated by some individuals (claims made that are untrue, improbable or lacking evidence). The most compelling case in this thread for being overrated is for In the Court of the Crimson King (common claims that it surely was the first true Prog album), but I will abstain from voting. The album I least like of these is Close to the Edge, but to me, whether one likes it or doesn't shouldn't be a deciding factor, but instead it should depend on objective evidence and sound arguments for people overrating it (dubious or questionable claims to greatness or outright wrongness made out of ignorance).
I think that too many individuals claim that other people hold something in too high esteem just because said individuals don't appreciate it -- that not only often tends to show a lack of perspective and nuanced thinking, but also a lack of humility. |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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ITCOTCK and SEBTP both have less than stellar moments but relative to the others DSOTM takes the cake for being by far the most over rated.
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Dellinger
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I understand they did play the whole Thick as a Brick thing while they were touring the album... I think I have even read that they played an extended version of it. As for Passion Play, I have no idea. |
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From the bootlegs I've listened to, they didn't actually play all of Thick As A Brick on the tour. They extended many parts of it and added a few sections so that it lasted 80 minutes, but there were a couple sections that weren't played - mostly the second side; they'd skip from "218 babies wearing nylon!" to "Let me tell you the tales of your life". So they'd be missing "In the clear white circles" and "Do you believe in the day?". Although Ian Anderson recently performed the whole thing live quite faithfully to the album on his TAAB2 tour (along with the sequel).
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Mortte
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^I think I have read that same thing about Thick from somewhere. Oh, I really would have like to be in that Anderson-concert (I think he didnīt play it in Finland, at least I havenīt heard anything about that).
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Dellinger
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I guess it wouldn't have been easy to fit the whole Thick as a Brick and/or Passion Play in subsequent tours without leaving out a whole bunch of other songs. At best they could have played side one of Thick as a Brick, but apparently they didn't even do that. Fans might just as well be grateful that they did play those albums (more or less) whole while touring for them... they might not have done so for any of their other albums (nor many bands do so).
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uduwudu
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Overrated just means someone thinks the millions who like something are wrong. None are overrated. They may indeed now be underrated as only the last of the prog type fans like 'em. Except maybe Dark Side as that broke on through to the hoi polloi.
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Rednight
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Oh, yeah, us "prog type" fans(?) are dying off in droves.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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uduwudu
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Underlying the underrated understanding... |
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micky
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funny.. I always took overrated to mean over... rated perfect example. my vote. ITCotCK. people point it its greatness as not just musical but historical as athe first prog album. It wasn't. Most consider DavJack a year earlier to be the first true prog album. so is that not being....overrated?.. and it doesn't have a damn thing to do with liking it. or not. A close #2 would be the Genesis album... and I love that album so what's love got to do with it.
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I don't think any of the albums mentioned here are particularly overrated, in fact CTTE and Selling England are two of my all time favourites. It's all just a matter of opinion... Personally I can't stand any of Steven Wilsons music and I think he's a great big fraud but everyone else seems to think he's some kind of god and he's not mentioned here anyway so I can't vote for him, and probably no one would agree with me anyway......all just opinion innit....
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micky's gonna give you a medal LOL
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hahaha
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Upbeat Tango Monday
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Nah, you are not alone. I think Wilson is a hack as well. Every single one of his albums is calculated and robotic, he lacks passion, musicianship and the ability to create something organic. Anyway, I'm glad he's not in the poll since I wouldn't put him near these great artists. |
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Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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Tull, and may be PF...
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