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^ Damn straight............
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If ARW ever release an album I'm sure Brian Lane will promote is as "Quintessential." 

I digress. The ultimate Prog LP has to be ITCOTCK.
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Oh yay, more incomprehensible bull from Pedro, disrupting an otherwise pleasant thread (as usual).
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Aside from that... I don't know if I could say there is one singular quintessential prog album for me. At least not based on a single genre.

For me (there will be unpopular choices lol):

Octopus - Gentle Giant is the quintessential Eclectic Prog album
Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd defines Space Rock for me
Mumien - Floh de Cologne is my quintessential krautrock album
Babylon - Babylon probably the best symphonic rock album
MDK - Magma is the quintessential Zeuhl album
Animal Notes - Crack the Sky is the defining album of Heavy Prog to me
Automatic Man - Automatic Man is what defines Crossover Prog to me
Felona E Sorona - Le Orme is the quintessential Italian Progressive Rock album to me

There ya go.

Other genres I haven't explored as much, so I can't really say. But these are my picks. Sorry, but I can't just narrow it down to one singular quintessential album. If I had only one album that I could ever listen to again though, it would be Dark Side of the Moon.
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Double album
Cover by Roger Dean
Lots of synths
Enigmatic lyrics
Huge diversity of tempos & moods
Melodic yet complex
Divides opinions among afficionados & connoisseurs
Symphonic to the core
One of the best singers + One of the best guitarist + One of the best bassist + One of the best keyboardist + One of the best drummer

What else can you desire, Mr Bungle ?


Yes! or may be Greenslade??
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2018 at 12:39
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh no...  it's all for Pedro...  if I can't on my highly evolved and overarching frame of reality can't pick up what he puts down then Pedro truly is in a class by himself.

seriously Ken.. he makes me look downright normal..  once I retire and start doing drugs again perhaps his post will make more sense.  The funny thing is.. I'd bet my paycheck Pedro ain't even touched a drug in his life

and that is both awe inspiring. and yet truly some scary sh*t man...

LOL
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh no...  it's all for Pedro...  if I can't on my highly evolved and overarching frame of reality can't pick up what he puts down then Pedro truly is in a class by himself.

seriously Ken.. he makes me look downright normal..  once I retire and start doing drugs again perhaps his post will make more sense.  The funny thing is.. I'd bet my paycheck Pedro ain't even touched a drug in his life

and that is both awe inspiring. and yet truly some scary sh*t man...

Micky ... I'm a veteran and I quit a long time ago.

I pretty much started with the Beatles idea and comments that there was much more to the drug than just getting stoned, and never stopped, that thought, which made sense for me, coming from a highly literary family (house with 40K+ books of literature ... wanna go to Lisbon to see it?).

My biggest concern, is trying to put it all into a sort of theory of relativity, where/when, things add up. They usually don't but some of the stuff in rock music is downright poor and just simple bar-room fun crap that is not any more prog or progressive than your co__ or mine!

To me, from day one, there was music that made sense, and its lyrics were valuable and important ... the lyrics for "Paint It Black" and "Between the Buttons" albums, for example, were highly valuable to a 14/15 year old kid ... and then the continuation to Sgt P or Their SM's ... kinda helped take things a bit further. When taking these in context and reading Hesse, Huxley, Kesey, Sartre, Genet and many others in school ... your look at the music and its lyrics tends to pale and many of them are downright stupid, but many won't admit it because they like the song.

The saddest thing here is how everyone is a Warhol fan ... go look at the Campbell's soup can ... and see how "progressive" it is in the art. All it does is confuse your idea of what art is supposed to be ... and too much rock music does the same thing with its publicity and fame status.

All you gotta do is take a look at its history, and I don't mean a look at the top ten listings each and every year!
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Wooooooooo,  Mr. Mister is lecturing us...again !

C'mon Pedro, put a smile on your face, go out and enjoy life while you can - it's just music Cool

Ohhhhh, I get it ... music is not a part of life for you!

How do you know it's progressive, then?
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Originally posted by GrafHaarschnitt GrafHaarschnitt wrote:

The question is what is the definitive Prog Album for you? That doesnīt mean your favourite but what you think is Prog Rock in its Core. For Me it would be Lizard.. As it has that pure Prog feel about it. It just couldnīt be any other genre. And I think it has all the ingredients by which you could determine a prog album of any era so if you donīt know if its prog just compare it to Lizard and if you find similarities itīs pretty surely prog as this album has no moment where I could think anything else than (this is a prog one) and still its so diverse.
If anyone wants to know in a more exact manner what I am talking about I may add it in a few days or so.
I also want to give Nursery Cryme Credit for being quintessential Prog Album structurewise. And I am aware of the fact that itīs surely impossible to pin down the whole prog movement down to just one album (the honorable mentions arrive one per second in my mind) Sorry for my english this time. Hope there arenīt to many native speakers reading this


 
the mother of all concept album is also the mother of prog rock album.
 
Unless you're Thick As A Brick, this makes total sense Tongue
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oh no...  it's all for Pedro...  if I can't on my highly evolved and overarching frame of reality can't pick up what he puts down then Pedro truly is in a class by himself.

seriously Ken.. he makes me look downright normal..  once I retire and start doing drugs again perhaps his post will make more sense.  The funny thing is.. I'd bet my paycheck Pedro ain't even touched a drug in his life

and that is both awe inspiring. and yet truly some scary sh*t man...
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Double album
Cover by Roger Dean
Lots of synths
Enigmatic lyrics
Huge diversity of tempos & moods
Melodic yet complex
Divides opinions among afficionados & connoisseurs
Symphonic to the core
One of the best singers + One of the best guitarist + One of the best bassist + One of the best keyboardist + One of the best drummer

What else can you desire, Mr Bungle ?

you do realize that you described, perfectly, that the truly enlightened and wizened consider THE quintessential prog album

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=83286

I disagree with pickles and ice cream!

*snip*

*no more needed to be said*

you lost me at pickles and ice cream. I haven't had a wiff of a joint in weeks and damn your posts man are like contact highs. I suddenly got the munchies.
 

I have no idea what you were trying to say Pedro.. but goddamnit man.. I do love you brother and someday you are I are going to get together. I'll bring the booze, and you bring whatever sh*t you are smoking, snorting and injecting and we will tear up the town.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ForestFriend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2018 at 18:36
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

I'm really tired of this "racist" comment about "progressive" music, and how it can not be this or that without having the right color (always funny and weird), the long hair (no curls or braids or _____), or some other idiotic comments that have nothing to do with the composition of the work itself.


Nobody making "racist" comments about "progressive" music - you're just jumping to that conclusion and getting offended by something nobody actually said.

Nobody is saying that you can't be prog without certain aspects, but the plain truth is, if you listen to the albums most commonly associated with prog rock (e.g., the top 50 on PA), you will notice a lot of similarities beyond the compositions itself. Things like Mini-Moogs, Mellotrons, Hammond organs, Rickenbacker basses, extended songs, classical/jazz influences, etc.

You have to realize that prog and "progressive" are not used synonymously. Yes, prog obviously comes from the word "progressive", but there are also stylistic connotations with the genre of prog. And of course, there are always exceptions to the rules; bands without keyboards, bands without long songs, etc, but I don't think anyone's claiming otherwise.
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Edited by Atavachron - September 18 2018 at 16:49
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Well right now my favorite is MDK. But as far as the 'Quintessential Prog Album' for me there's always been three.. Close to the Edge, Selling England by the Pound, and Brain Salad Surgery. If I had to pick just one it's Selling England. 
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Real Mellotron is a groaning, unpredictable mess that lends a great deal of drama to prog music.  Since the tapes were recordings of humans playing notes on real instruments, one can hear bow inflections, breath and other subtle sounds that give the 'tron a very organic, human sound vs. the synths used by guys like Geoff Downes (ugh!).
Great description of the mellotron sound Charles
It is a wonderful description.


Thank you all!  I love the 'tron, from the moment I first played one (1975) to present (I use the same iPad Mellotron app used by King Crimson). 

Anything that could be done to a Mellotron, Mike Pinder has done.  Spilled drinks into them, had them fall apart onstage etc. 

The delicate tapes could be thrown out of alignment with just a gentle nudge, and they sometimes broke, stretched or recoiled improperly. Changing temperatures (an unfortunate reality on tour) led to moisture buildup on sensitive components and caused warped key stems. Pinder's own machine once flopped open right at the start of a show, spilling its tapes onto the stage like a pile of magnetic spaghetti. (He got it back up and running in 20 minutes.)

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I would have trouble picking just one since there are many that we all could name.....but since this is all subjective anyway.... I'll say ITCOTCK....it was prog when it all sort of started and it has many of the various prog styles on one album.




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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Real Mellotron is a groaning, unpredictable mess that lends a great deal of drama to prog music.  Since the tapes were recordings of humans playing notes on real instruments, one can hear bow inflections, breath and other subtle sounds that give the 'tron a very organic, human sound vs. the synths used by guys like Geoff Downes (ugh!).
Great description of the mellotron sound Charles
It is a wonderful description.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

 

Real Mellotron is a groaning, unpredictable mess that lends a great deal of drama to prog music.  Since the tapes were recordings of humans playing notes on real instruments, one can hear bow inflections, breath and other subtle sounds that give the 'tron a very organic, human sound vs. the synths used by guys like Geoff Downes (ugh!).  

 
Great description of the mellotron sound Charles, but you should add that they are always slightly out of tune due to the tapes stretching and the drives always running a touch too slow.

Excellent!  "How do you tune a Mellotron?"  "You can't." 

Yeah, the effects of tape stretching, temperature, voltage oscillations, mechanical variations etc. made for an amazingly difficult instrument on the road for guys like Fripp, Wakeman etc.  Still, I love the sound!  Tony Banks once compared the sound of the 'Tron to that of an old movie soundtrack when it comes out of television speakers, and I really get that analogy.  
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Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Wigwam Fairyport for me. Not just prog, it includes everything I need from the music!
 

I LOVE Fairyport!!!! But they are asking for the quintessential 'Prog' (got it right this time!) lp not 'Progressive' lp (ok ok lets not start up that old chestnut again I hear you cry!)
Of course I know stereotypical prog sounds like Yes CttE or Genesis Selling England. But why would I tell that, everyone knows that? I think best prog sounds just like Wigwam in Fairyport.
 

Sorry I hope you didn't think I was being patronising, I certainly wasn't meaning to be.. I meant to put a winky face after but am not allowed it seems! Your reply is spot on and exactly what I meant (in a light hearted way). As Nogbad said 'its not in his top 30 but still has the all the hallmarks of THE Quintessential 'Prog' lp' and I think that's what the OP was looking for, not our personal favourites.
Donīt worry, I am not absolutely serious in this and donīt feel hurt about your comment. Anyway I think seriously quintessential prog sound become 1969-71. It develop next years, but I think not in better direction. Essential to me is the hammond-style organ sounds, mellotron and using of brass, woodwinds & other acoustic instruments. At the moment I donīt remember any album from those years where are those all. There are no mellotron in Fairyport, but there are all those other elements. Also I really love the drum sounds of Ronnie Österberg, also music includes all the elements I love in prog, great melodies, right amount of complexity and great playing, also that album adds the feeling of Finnish nature that you canīt find anywhere else than in Finnish prog!

Of course there are still lots of subjective, but is it really possible find the objective quintessential prog album that everybody all over the world can accept? Of course I can admit Yes CttE sounds something most of the people think prog sounding, but is that really the purpose of this thread?
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Wooooooooo,  Mr. Mister is lecturing us...again !

C'mon Pedro, put a smile on your face, go out and enjoy life while you can - it's just music Cool
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