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    Posted: September 11 2018 at 11:40
Here you have it, inspired by that other thread. It may have been done before, but I gots to know. For example, I believe Beginnings is Steve Howe's best album, but I couldn't tell you what's his worst (if there is a worst).

Edited by Rednight - September 11 2018 at 15:51
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Kate Bush best Hounds Of Love , worst The Red Shoes
Vangelis best China , worst Alexander

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2018 at 05:15
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Kate Bush best Hounds Of Love , worst The Red Shoes
Well it's all subjective, I bet a lot of artists would kill for an album as good as TRS. For me Lionheart was a typically rushed second album and is her poorest effort.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2018 at 07:55
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Kate Bush best Hounds Of Love , worst The Red Shoes
Well it's all subjective, I bet a lot of artists would kill for an album as good as TRS. For me Lionheart was a typically rushed second album and is her poorest effort.

On my side of things The Dreaming!!! is listed as the best - I'm with richardh on worst.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rednight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2018 at 15:02
Oh, yeah - the Steve Howe album that did little to nothing for me up to this point was his Portraits of Bob Dylan, quite possibly his worst. Bought it when it first came out, played it, then immediately sold it down at the ol' used record/CD shop.

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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Here you have it, inspired by that other thread. It may have been done before, but I gots to know. For example, I believe Beginnings is Steve Howe's best album, but I couldn't tell you what's his worst (if there is a worst).


I think I'm an outlier here, but I think Turbulence is his best. I was a little disappointed by his live album that followed it.
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Holger Czukay - best Movies - worst Radio Wave Surfer


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Kate Bush: the Kick Inside - the Red Shoes
Tim Buckley: Happy Sad - Look at the Fool
Beefheart: Trout Mask Replica - Bluejeans & Moonbeams
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Hi,

This is, by far, one of the ugliest and saddest threads I have ever seen in my life on a board.

Any artist is a person, and you are not strong enough to stand up to the ugly criticism, that some folks have of your work, otherwise you would not spend your time saying anything about it.

For these people, this is their life ... and sometimes, it seems like for us, all there is, is a bunch of ugly comments because we want to feel as important as the artists themselves.

I am no Picasso, Beethoven of Kate Bush, or Peter Hammill ... and I am not jealous of any of them, and do not criticize their work because I like 50 Words for Snow, and do not exactly care for Heathcliff ... one of those novels and stories that for me ... just make me want to go to the bathroom!

It is just bizarre, that because of the internet, we have all become critics and love to trash anything and everything, which we think is the definition of the First Amendment ... you just wait until a certain President is through ... you are not going to like it, and by that time I hope I am not around to see its ugliness!
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

This is, by far, one of the ugliest and saddest threads I have ever seen in my life on a board.

Any artist is a person, and you are not strong enough to stand up to the ugly criticism, that some folks have of your work, otherwise you would not spend your time saying anything about it.

For these people, this is their life ... and sometimes, it seems like for us, all there is, is a bunch of ugly comments because we want to feel as important as the artists themselves.

I am no Picasso, Beethoven of Kate Bush, or Peter Hammill ... and I am not jealous of any of them, and do not criticize their work because I like 50 Words for Snow, and do not exactly care for Heathcliff ... one of those novels and stories that for me ... just make me want to go to the bathroom!

It is just bizarre, that because of the internet, we have all become critics and love to trash anything and everything, which we think is the definition of the First Amendment ... you just wait until a certain President is through ... you are not going to like it, and by that time I hope I am not around to see its ugliness!

And the sad ugliness of just loving to trash others is perpetuated when what was supposed to be a musical discussion becomes just another launching pad for a political tirade.  
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Kate Bush best Hounds Of Love , worst The Red Shoes
Well it's all subjective, I bet a lot of artists would kill for an album as good as TRS. For me Lionheart was a typically rushed second album and is her poorest effort.
 

Yep Lionheart is her 'Works Vol 2' , a bunch of tracks that were not her absolute best. Neverthless it still has Wow , Oh England my Lionheart and Hammer Horror whereas Moments Of Pleasure for me is the only memorable track on TRS.

Mosh - chill!!!
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^I really love Lionheart, my big favourites from her right after Kick Inside, the Dreaming, Never For Ever & Hounds Of Love. I think also her last two albums are in the same level.
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The only ugly thing here is Moshkito feeling that his approach to art is superior to everyone elses. An artist learning to cope with criticism equals learning to grow. Its healthy. Shutting down and getting your feelings hurt won't help you pushing things forward at all. 

I've seen my share of former "great" artists surrounded by people that will never tell them their true opinion about their much inferior recent works. Its how we got Bono, Jar-Jar Binks, figurative works by Damien Hirst mm...

  

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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

The only ugly thing here is Moshkito feeling that his approach to art is superior to everyone elses. An artist learning to cope with criticism equals learning to grow. Its healthy. Shutting down and getting your feelings hurt won't help you pushing things forward at all. 
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To a point!

AND, I HAVE NEVER STATED OR THOUGHT THAT MY IDEAS AND COMMENTS WERE MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOURS. IF ANYTHING IT'S ABOUT PERSPECTIVE, not to mention that most are not strong enough to show their own art, even here, and prove the point ... you can not create by listening to anyone else ... you have to listen to YOU!

So, please, stop this "socialist" point of view that you comments speak for the masses and you are right and an individualist, like me, is wrong.

Do that to your child and he/she will likely never paint again, or play another song again!

You intimidate the process and the inner learning with it. You end up making many folks super conscious of what they have done, and hurt some of their inner process. This is the main reason why so many "artists" separate themselves from the "public", because of insensitive comments that have absolutely nothing to do with the art itself, but the jealousy thereof!

My criticism, is not about you per se, or anyone else!

It is about improving our study and commentary about progressive music, and helping it establish it in the pantheon of music history ... sometimes it sounds like just another top ten fan, defending a song they like ... it has nothing to do with the music itself, and above all, with the artist at all!

YOU ARE NOT AN ARTIST IF YOU SPEND YOUR TIME COPING WITH THE CRITICISM ... IN FACT ... YOU WILL LIKELY NEVER GET ANYTHING DONE ... or you can become a Warhol and finger everyone and their "ideas" about art! That seems to make better sense!


Edited by moshkito - September 18 2018 at 07:29
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^well I am an actual full time artist - you're not... and jeez no - its not about "spending my time coping with criticism" haha that is what the butthurt artist would do. But genuine artists shouldn't need your-or anyone's protection from criticism. There's no need to be evil just for the sake of it. But thinking, saying or writing that Bluejeans & Moonbeams is one of Captain Beefhearts weaker efforts isn't evil. I'd say anyone who tried to hide that truth from the Capt'n wasn't a real friend or doing his art any favours.

And you don't have to state that you feel above the rest to get that point across. Doesn't matter to me if you don't personally feel like you're that type of person. I read your posts and this is how your tone towards others make you appear. So if you're not comfortable with that - take my criticism and see if there's maybe a tiny ounce of truth to it that you can admit to - and change your tone.

-And that socialist rubbish of yours doesn't make any sense at all. Socialism is cultural relativist = more like you than people who allow themselves to consider some piece of art better than another piece of art. 


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Sorry for all that. Now back to business... off the top of my head:

Miles Davis 
best: Big Fun
worst: You're Under Arrest

Catherine Ribeiro 
best: N°2
worst: La Déboussole

Igor Wakhévitch
best: Docteur Faust
worst: Être Dieu

Btw: best is more like most listened to. Its not like Big Fun is better than Bitches Brew - worst was far easier.


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A repeat from the other thread:
Allan Holdsworth: IOU/Metal Fatigue >>> Wardenclyffe Tower
Miles Davis: In a Silent Way>>>Doo Bop

New entries:
Steve Howe: Turbulence>>>Portraits of Bob Dylan
Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte>>>Guitar Noir
Steve Hillage: Fish Rising>>>For to Next>>>And Not Or
John Wetton: Raised in Captivity>>>Battle Lines
Ian Anderson: Homo Erraticus>>>Walk Into Light
Rik Wakeman: The Six Wives of Henry VIII>>>Aspirant Sunrise
Jeff Beck: Blow by Blow>>>Flash
Steve Walsh: Shadowman>>>Schemer-Dreamer


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^A good entry, and thanks for understanding the nature of the thread. I should have named it "Solo Albums'" instead of "Solo Artists'".
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How I forgot these:
Pekka Pohjola: Harakka Bialoipokku - Flight Of the Angel
Jukka Gustavson: Valon Vuoksi - Moments
Jim Pembroke: Wicked Ivory - Flat Broke
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