If the Presidential Election was held tomorrow?

5?? Mention one...... The Bern is super weak, love his passion but he's done. The biggest plus Trump has going for him is he is more a business man than a politician, and international business too. He has more contacts around the world than any previous politician has ever dreamed of having, and vision.....I saw a 20+yr old TV piece of him on Oprah and even then he was saying how the US was being taken advantage of by NATO, it just needs to be fixed.

I'm not sure he will win again if he runs, but right now, today not sure who could beat him. We will see in a couple yrs, but with all the bitchin and moanin going on I would be shocked if he wins a 2nd term.

I think you are not picking up what is going on Scott.  There isn't a viable MODERATE Democrat or independent to oppose him.

Much as the Republican Party shifted hard to the right IMO one has to be blind to not see that the Democratic Party has begun the shift to the left.  One can point to all the obvious results of Trump being elected. 

The death of the mainstream moderate Republican Party is the obvious one.  What may not be so obvious is the rise of the far left as a major player in the Democratic Party.

And one of the real effects of Trump may be destroying the notion that a far left candidate is unelectable.  Given a choice between Trump and ..  let's pick 'Liz Warren out of a hat so I think she''ll run, get the nomination (in a crowded primary field very similar to the Republican 2016 Primary in that if you have the passion of the a part of the party, the rest will split the remaining) and I do think she CAN win and unless Trump starts a war, she'll likely win.  Why?

Was every Trump voter a f**king ignorant racist, bigoted, bible beating southern redneck.  Of course not, it is just that every racist, bigotted intolerant f**k DID vote for him haha. What of those others that voted for him?

Many just wanted a change for the status quo which Hillary represented. One can argue if Trump has given them reason to get their vote again.  A lot IMO will depend on how badly his trade war blows up in his face.

Assume as many do that his list of accomplishments going into 2020 are red meat social issues, a tax break for the rich, and diminishing (if not wrecking completely) the great economy he inherited from Obama.

So if Warren can siphon any significant fraction of those votes, she crushes Trump.  Trump barely won, he needs keep pretty much all that voted for him, and hope the Democrats put a highly unlikeable corporate stooge like Hillary up again. Trump won the election by playing the populist card, even though anyone with a brain knew he didn't give a sh*t about the 'common man'.  Warren though, has made a career standing up for the little guy and against the big corporations.

Look at it rationally.  Trump is pretty much hard capped in the 40's.  Those that love Trump now, loved him then.  I can probably count on 1 hand how many Hillary voters, or those that didn't vote at all that would suddenly..  support him and what he is doing. I've give Trump credit for one thing. He was no phony.  He campaigned as a smug, unintelligent jerk who had no empathy, heart, or experience for the job.  He remained true to that. Credit him for that. But how many do you really think have changed their minds thinking it was unacceptable and unbecoming as a candidate to lead this country but as President. He has been a f**king embarssment to all but his core supporters.

He only wins in 2020 if the Democrats put up another corporate centrist which depresses the enthusiasm and young and left leaning voters.

That is why Warren can win... IMO will win.  She can do what Hillary did not do,  fire up voters, and unlike Trump. She is genuinely a populist who doesn't tell people what they want to hear but has a record of doing so. Why do you think Trump has run so hard at her, he knows .. or more like the few smart people he keeps around him know what I am saying here. Trump will beat a moderate Democrat, he will have big problems with a true left wing populist who can take back a part of the working class that the Democrats lost because of people like Hillary Clinton. Love her and that ass I do, her and the old Clinton strategy had their time, it is new political reality now.  Many are seeing it Scott and yes it is going to leave moderate Democrats as much without a party as the almost now extinct moderate wing of the Republican Party.

As you might have remembered way back in the 2016 political threads. This is nothing new,  Bernie.. Trump.. both parties are moving to the extremes.  The middle will soon find itself with a party until a new one forms.  Given the current course and dead end politics of the Republican Party I suspect we will see the end of the Republican Party in the decades to come, perhaps our lifetimes and out of it's ashes as a 2nd party in this country a more centrist party to combat the more left leaning Democratic Party.