Could positive actions by Trump outweigh negatives

His strategy on North Korea does appear - for now - to have paid off. It was somewhat reckless and a massive gamble, but he has ultimately achieved more than Obama or GWB on that particular front. That said, there is some theory going round that NK's test site exploded and collapsed in on itself, so tha may have some bearing on the North's apparent capitulation...who knows? Ultimately they could tell us anything.

We have been down this road with NK before though, so they need to be watched like hawks day in day out.

There's so many negatives about Trumps character and his attitude to global warming, women and international diplomacy that I very much doubt the positives will outweigh the negatives. He's a hateful charater, but history will judge him on his record, and he hasn't even completed a first term yet, so for now it's good to enjoy berating this monster, as some of us did with Reagan back in the day, but let's wait and see.

MortSahlFan wrote: rushfan4 wrote: BaldJean wrote: SteveG wrote: BaldJean wrote: Trump and positive actions - that's what those who speak Latin call a contradictio in adiecto Or what in English is known as an oxymoron. no, it is not. you miss a big difference between an oxymoron (which actually is Greek meaning "sharp-blunt") and a contradicitio in adiecto. an oxymoron is a rhetorical device of combining two opposites and thereby creating a completely new meaning. examples are "bittersweet", "open secret", "love-hate" or "deafening silence". these phrases, although being apparent contradictions, are nevertheless meaningful and generally understood. but "Trump and positive actions" does not fall into this category; it is merely a contradiction. for more information see this article by a retired professor of English: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-contradiction-in-terms-and-oxymoron some people give "pretty ugly" as an example for an oxymoron. it is however not because the meaning of "pretty" in this example is not "pleasing to the eye" but "quite" To quote Megadeth, "military intelligence. two words combined that don't make sense." I thought that was George Carlin :) If we don't go to war, it'll be major, but he's only added MORE.. And that 1.5 trillion to the 1% - robbing Peter, Paul, AND Mary to pay people like Donald and Hillary.. Obama was almost a Republican, Clinton was right-winged when it came to the important stuff (not the stock Democrat votes), we need someone with the last name of Roosevelt... America needs a "New Deal"... However, I can't see anyone being worse than W/Cheney

It very well could have been George Carlin.  I just remember first hearing it in a Megadeth song.

Easy Money wrote: ^ The people in that protest were chanting "blod and soil" a well known nazi slogan, they were also chanting 'the Jews will not replace us". The next day they were beating black men over the head with steel poles. If you don't call those people nazis, what exactly do you call them?

Getting back to statue huggers, %50 of southerners thought the civil war was a bad idea and would be a disaster for the south, ever wonder why none of those people ever got a statue?
Ever wonder why all the good people who helped black people escape a life of rape, beatings and murder don't get a statue?
How about all those black people who helped build the southern economy without getting paid for it. Where is their statue?

Edited by Easy Money - May 04 2018 at 08:31

^ Re Hillary: Its okay to not like either Trump or Hillary, I voted, but I did not vote for either of those two unworthy candidates.

Easy Money wrote: Getting back to statue huggers, %50 of southerners thought the civil war was a bad idea and would be a disaster for the south, ever wonder why none of those people ever got a statue? Ever wonder why all the good people who helped black people escape a life of rape, beatings and murder don't get a statue? How about all those black people who helped build the southern economy without getting paid for it. Where is their statue?

A statue is much more than history, its a tribute.
A museum, a book or an internet site is history. Nobody wants to erase history, but many of us want to remove these tributes to a treasonous war that was opposed by half the people living here.

Here is some history for you, check the dates for when those statues were built. They came up during the Jim Crow era. The statues were put there to remind black people to stay in their place.
Black people don't want these reminders any more, and other people with a decent moral backbone agree with them.

By your reasoning Germany should build statues to Hitler and Iraq should put back the statues of Sadam Hussein that they tore down. These men are important parts of their history. Why don't these men get a statue, because obviously a statue is much more than just history.
When the famous video of Iraqis bringing down a statue of Saddam was shown, were your first thoughts, "OMG they are destroying history"? If not, why?

An honest civil war statue would show the horrible devastation that resulted from this ill-advised treasonous disaster that ruined the south for many many decades.

Edited by Easy Money - May 04 2018 at 12:23

Too much harm has been done. It's not even so much about his actions but about his character and how he chooses to respond to things. He runs the country like a mob boss. He's not a team player and he's just doing what pleases him regardless of what others feel is important or the outcome. Yes, he could do some positive stuff but mostly it's damage control at this point.

No but the most positive thing he could do would be to f**k up the British government of mine instead.
And to keep trying to do positive things but have the actual definition of positive and context mean.
I can't vote him out and I'm amazed how little I come across direct need from President Trump in my offline life.
If I gave a sh*t, I'd support Democrats but what does their word mean nowadays?
If I lived there I'd consider becoming a Governor just for the sh*ts and giggles, but find the UK Parliamentary process so tedious to even volunteer leaflets!