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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

As a young teen, first hearing Rush in 1975-76......Prog meant nothing to me. Not even sure I heard that term or read about it in music mags. Pink Floyd was considered psychedelic rock, and so on.....

Rush to me along with Yes, Tull and Floyd was simply rock music that was different than FM radio rock like Sabbath, LZ, The Who. 
Even when Rush was releasing 2112 to PW......it was simply just great music. I also never had any issues with Ged's vocals.
During that period, you could not find a more prolific drummer that created so much excitement on stage. Neil progressed into a monster drummer and helped push Rush into its own genre....

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Maybe the header should be changed to "If You're New to Prog, Don't Start With 'Tush'..."

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I guess you could say, those new to prog shouldn't RUSH it?

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They merely adopted the prog.   We were born in it, molded by it--  I didn't hear pop until I was already a man by then it was nothing to me but deafening.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

They merely adopted the prog.   We were born in it, molded by it--  I didn't hear pop until I was already a man by then it was nothing to me but deafening.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

I guess you could say, those new to prog shouldn't RUSH it?
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If you are new to prog, start with whatever the f**k you want. :)
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Originally posted by Junges Junges wrote:

If you are new to prog, start with whatever the f**k you want. :)
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Originally posted by Junges Junges wrote:

If you are new to prog, start with whatever the f**k you want. :)

Whoa, whoa, whoa; who do you think you are coming in here and FREELY choosing bands to start with and like? What are you, some kind of human being, complete with freewill and personal taste?! Tongue

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Ok, so where should they start? 

I actually am not sure where most people who are new to prog start these days. I suppose it depends on what they are already familiar with. I would think many would probably start with Pink Floyd since most people are probably already at least somewhat familiar with them. 
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People start where they start, that's where they start!

I'd imagine most getting into Pink Floyd FIRST, regardless of whether the consensus is they constitute "progressive rock" or not. That's how it feels here in the North East USA, anyway.

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

People start where they start, that's where they start!

That's true. I started where I started and that's where I started.
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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

People start where they start, that's where they start!

That's true. I started where I started and that's where I started.

Isn't it crazy how you just start starting? I started with Yes Tongue.

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

People start where they start, that's where they start!

I'd imagine most getting into Pink Floyd FIRST, regardless of whether the consensus is they constitute "progressive rock" or not. That's how it feels here in the North East USA, anyway.

Whether PF takes them to prog depends on two things. One ofcourse is they have to be familiar with Pink Floyd in the first place and be curious enough to want to explore further and look for other similar bands. The second is they have to have heard the term prog somehow(either through friends or relatives or through the internet). So basically they just have to add up these things in their head. Not everyone does though. I'm sure there's a lot of people who just think of PF as just classic rock and stop there. I have seen many articles online that don't even mention PF as one of the main prog bands so it just depends.


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"Hear me now and believe me later," I started with Tangerine Dream!
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

People start where they start, that's where they start!

That's true. I started where I started and that's where I started.

Isn't it crazy how you just start starting? I started with Yes Tongue.

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I started with Yes and Pink Floyd.
What does that mean, I WONDER?
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

The second is they have to have heard the term prog somehow
 
Not necessarily. Although I had been listening to prog from about the mid '70s onward, I did not become aware of the terms "progressive rock", "prog", or even "art rock" until sometime during the '90s. I didn't really know what to call the music from such groups as Van der Graaf Generator. But that didn't stop me from getting into undeniably serious prog.
 
 
 
 
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^I become aware of term prog and what kind of music it is in the begin of eighties. What people think then about prog in Finland wasn´t very positive. My other brother told me it was stupid, too complex music. Anyway my oldest brother had liked Pink Floyd and he had recorded Time after Dire Straits Making Movies album, and when I heard that it hit me immediately! Still got few years I really started to interest prog, but that time I really didn´t care anymore what was commonly said although prog was still out of that time.
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I really didn't like Rush in the seventies especially Hemispheres . Tom Sawyer did get me interested though.
My basis taste at that time as a teenager was 'tacky'. I didn't like anything blues/hard rock based. Add a few synths and my ears pricked up. Loved ELP and Rick Wakeman straight off the bat. Age does make a difference though I'm sure. As a 15 year old these were perfect. Taste changes as you get older and you appreciate different things so it depends on that as well.
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