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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18080 |
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It's different for every generation. I simply think that this generation does not have the musical ability and lyrical flow to show that they have something that is outstanding and above the norm. That's not to say that rap is nothing, for there are some very fine things in there, but considering what is behind it, and calling it "music" is a bit scary for me!
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18959 |
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I just found out that Mike Portnoy is a fan of rap. That's quite surprising to me.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13230 |
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From a "prog" standpoint, I would suggest Ian Anderson and Peter Gabriel are far better. Peter Sinfield is quite accomplished as well. I would consider any one of the three as poets, as opposed to Peart as just a lyricist with an occasional hard-on for Ayn Rand.
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Larkstongue41 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 07 2015 Location: Eastern Canada Status: Offline Points: 1360 |
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^ I'd add Peter Hammill to this lot. You may not like his singing but his lyrics are quite extraordinary.
A certain member on here uses a line written by Peter Hammill from my very favourite verse all eras and genres included as his signature...
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doompaul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 02 2015 Location: boise id Status: Offline Points: 414 |
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I must be in the minority. I completely love Geddy's 70s screeching vocals.
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Geddy Lee is an amazing vocalist. Some of the high notes he hits (even in the last tour) can only otherwise be reached by professional opera singers. Perhaps an acquired taste, but that is true of so much of progressive rock. I find some of Peart's earlier lyrics to be iffy, but many later tunes have really thoughtful lyrics.
One has to start somewhere, and everyone hears things a bit differently. The more music the merrier.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18590 |
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He sounds amazing on those records. On Hemispheres and Permanent Waves, he found the perfect middle.
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Neil doesn't have a hard on for Ayn Rand. In fact he is past that time in his life. He knows better now. |
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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I agree that Gabriel, Hammill, Ian Anderson being better lyricists.
This, however, doesn't mean Peart didn't have some cool stuff.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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For what it’s worth ; I was digging Prog ( usual suspects - Genesis, Yes, Floyd.....).
......long story short - I acquired a VHS which had Rush live (late 70’s, Xanadu and The Trees...) and I was BLOWN AWAY !! I’m not sure the general consensus of the O.P. is 100% kosher, but then, I’m a nobody. Who cares ?? Edited by Tom Ozric - April 09 2018 at 05:04 |
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Jeffro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2014 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2201 |
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Good lord, have you not heard anything after 2112?
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Jeffro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2014 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2201 |
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Ditto. His voice from then is a part of what Rush was.
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RoeDent ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 08 2009 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 850 |
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How come no one ever picks a modern band for those new to prog? It's always the old guys whose time has long passed. We need to show that progressive rock is alive and kicking, right here right now!
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18959 |
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I guess it depends on how new. I would think most people, even these days, would find out about prog through the older bands. I would guess someone even hears about Rush or Pink Floyd before they hear about Porcupine Tree or Dream Theater but I suppose it just depends. I think usually the classic bands are recommended to give an idea of what the genre is all about. Also, imo, it wouldn't make sense to tell someone to listen to Spock's Beard or the Flower Kings before hearing the bands that influenced them such as Yes or Genesis. It also wouldn't make sense to tell someone to listen to Porcupine Tree before they heard Pink Floyd or the other classic prog bands but again that's just my opinion. None of this is written in stone. I'm sure there are a lot of younger prog fans who heard a lot of prog metal bands and PT and other modern bands before they even heard classic prog and I bet some of them still haven't heard any classic prog and have no interest in them. Their loss.
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Argos ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 06 2018 Location: Albania Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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I for one, didn't even know what prog rock was until I first heard to Pink Floyd and then King Crimson. Newer progressive rock bands, while they may be quite good, just don't have that success and status that classic 70s had. For every new fan of prog, I say listen to a lot of bands simultaneously--classic or modern--so as to find their preferred sound. They may then expand into more obscure stuff at their own pace. I myself am also quite a new prog rock fan. I'd been a Pink Floyd fan for quite some time before delving deep into pure prog almost a year ago. I still have yet to fully listen to classic bands, but have been keeping tabs with modern bands as well (Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Steven Wilson, Wobbler, The Flower Kings, Plini, etc). I say leave them to explore the genre themselves using internet rankings and lists.
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^ Great points-- how nuanced someone's musical journey can be, and why a foundation in what came before is as important in prog as with anything else.
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Rush were one of the first bands I saw Live in 1978 (I saw Genesis in 1977) that's 40 years ago! Mind u they did nothing of note after 1980...like Genesis who did nothing after 1977... there is a theme here!
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Online Points: 17969 |
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As a young teen, first hearing Rush in 1975-76......Prog meant nothing to me. Not even sure I heard that term or read about it in music mags. Pink Floyd was considered psychedelic rock, and so on.....
Rush to me along with Yes, Tull and Floyd was simply rock music that was different than FM radio rock like Sabbath, LZ, The Who. Even when Rush was releasing 2112 to PW......it was simply just great music. I also never had any issues with Ged's vocals. During that period, you could not find a more prolific drummer that created so much excitement on stage. Neil progressed into a monster drummer and helped push Rush into its own genre....
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18590 |
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Maybe the header should be changed to "If You're New to Prog, Don't Start With 'Tush'..."
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