When Trump fires Mueller

Man With Hat wrote: rogerthat wrote: @Atavachron As an outsider and based more on my reading of the behaviour of the 'disgruntled with establishment' coalition, I bet they will still vote for Trump cuz "can't stand the corrupt Democrats".  Or some might vote for Gary Johnson or whoever stands on the Libertarian Party ticket in 2020 but that candidate will likely still get too few votes to move the needle (and may end up spoiling the Democrat vote by offering an acceptable non-Democrat alternative). sorry for the broad brush, but the libertarian party should never be considered an acceptable solution for anyone on the left.

Atavachron wrote: Plus we'd had the extremely suspicious murder of a President on the streets of the most hateful city in the world;  The apoplectic and wholly unfounded fear of Communism;  And, god forbid, minorities wanting fair treatment.

Edited by micky - March 25 2018 at 19:18

micky wrote: rogerthat wrote: If you take Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, three of the MidWest states that lost Clinton the 2016 election, Johnson's votes were the victory margin (or more) between Trump and Clinton. That is kind of what I am driving at.  These have been Democrat states for two decades and the votes Clinton lost to a third party candidate were also crucial in determining the outcome. that is why I think Trumps chances in 2020 are highly overrated... he has to hold ALL of his support.. and he is has lost about 6% of his support it seems..  40% will not win an election.. it gets you crushed...and yet account for the energized and highly motivated Democratic base that passed on Hillary for many reasons and will be HIGHLY highly motivated to see Trump gone. all things being equal.. assuming the Democrats don't nominate another completely flawed and utterly dislikeable candidate in 2020.. and I don't see that happening.. Trump gets crushed in 2020.  He barely won in 2016 against Hillary f**king Clinton whom even many Democrats were not happy with.  but also why I am highly wary of a war of political convience being started.. my money is on Iran.. prior to the election. Trump might be a dangerous fool.. but not a completely stupid one.. he knows his support is slipping and the one sure way to win reeletion... is to be a sitting wartime President. We have NEVER voted one out of office...  even W won reelection for God's sake haha

^Yes...my brother (a history teacher) always used to say how it amazed him that so many right wing middle class and redneck people in the US voted for the Republican right wing rich candidates , like Trump,  when it was against their best interests  to do so. 

From what I've learned about the American voting system, it's entirely possible that Trump gets 20% of all votes and still remains president.

^ yeah.. what of it. what are you going to do..

^ heart 

micky wrote: they don't vote economics... they vote social issues... they care about more about God, guns, and the loss of white Christian America then their own economic wellfare.

rogerthat wrote: micky wrote: they don't vote economics... they vote social issues... they care about more about God, guns, and the loss of white Christian America then their own economic wellfare. This again is not a trend restricted to America.  In conversations over coffee, I have heard some of my well off colleagues say it's not just economics, culture is also important.  So, yes, identity is unfortunately at the very forefront of the discussion and it shouldn't be.  The only worthwhile reason to have a democratic nation state is to run an administration where views across the spectrum are accommodated in so far as they aren't against the values embraced by the nation over a period of time. One's own identity, be it whatever, has very little to do with it and attempting to satisfy every identity group will only tear the administration apart.

which makes it all the crazier and more sad.. seeing how it is taking root in Europe.  Seems lessons not learned... but likely doomed to be repeated. Unfortunately the world may not be able to count on us to bail it out again haha..  we got the Der Fuhrer wannabe thing going here and still 40 percent of our population is still too stupid.. or blinded by partisanship to see how their party has crashed and burned ideologically and the only thing they have to hang their hats on is furthering hated, fear and division of others. As we've seen.. given the keys of power.. they have zero notions of what to do.. or how to do it.. other than of course enriching the corporate class..