Russian chemical attack on UK

^No, not your fault. This thread got derailed when it went into "Alex Jones" territory back on pages 2 and 3.

progaardvark wrote: ^No, not your fault. This thread got derailed when it went into "Alex Jones" territory back on pages 2 and 3.

I thought this thread was about conspiracy theories! I should have looked at the title posting! 

For all those who like conspiracy theories....   I read this over 20 years ago....when I was interested in such things along with aliens and ufos. (If anyone wants to buy my shelf full of weird books drop me a line.  ;) )

Edited by dr wu23 - March 21 2018 at 09:39

^Heh Cindy....

omphaloskepsis wrote:   http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-03/21/c_137053509.htm "UNITED NATIONS, March 20 (Xinhua) -- A team of experts from the Hague-based Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) are collecting samples of the poisoning of a former Russian spy in southern England and the chemical used could be determined in three weeks, said Ahmet Uzumcu, the head of the OPCW, on Tuesday. The samples will be sent to designated labs for analysis, which may take two to three weeks. Once the results were determined, they will be shared with the British government, the director-general told reporters at UN Headquarters in New York." Question? If it takes the OPCW  "two to three weeks" to figure out the chemical formula of a "nerve gas" ...How did Theresa May know it was a "Russian Nerve Gas" ?

Some quick research on Novichok tells me that information on how it is identified is not publicly available, but the fact that even experts that were skeptical about the involvement of the Kremlin don't seem to question this makes me think it's not so weird that they were able to identify the substance well enough and that maybe the OPCW also wants to do some more specific tests to figure out for example how long ago it was made, besides just officially verifying the substance.

I tend to agree with the premise of this article casting doubt on any blame being assigned so quickly. Remember that premature speculation is what led to the disastrous Iraq war based on completely fictious claims.

^ i agree with you totally. No matter what anybody thinks about Russians but you cannot claim that they are stupid. If they really pulled something like this off then they surely would've covered their tracks. One of the greatest fears after the collapse of the USSR was that all the stockpiles of weapons could fall into the wrong hands. I find it totally within the realms of possibility that before Russia got their economic act together a decade later that many of these chemicals and what have ya were sold off to the highest bidder. Even if the weapons originated from the territory that is now called Russia in no way implicates the identities of the miscreants who carried out these attacks. Also, for anyone who understands chemistry there are such things as chemical forgery. Evidence can be tampered with and there are plenty of legal cases in the US alone that have proven it. 

^ hey, I respect everybody's opinions regarding these things but I'm not digging the way politically charged threads are playing out around here so I'm practicing what I just preached and am refraining from these polemic threads. Peace out

rogerthat wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: ^ hey, I respect everybody's opinions regarding these things but I'm not digging the way politically charged threads are playing out around here so I'm practicing what I just preached and am refraining from these polemic threads. Peace out Aye, it is unfortunate that the discourse has gotten so charged lately.  Which also plays into the hands of the elite.

Inside fighting serves nothing good for sure. I'm more interested in maintaining peace than being right. With so much going on right now it's hard to elegantly articulate one's stance without it becoming misinterpreted easily. I come to this site for music and do not feel these political threads are adding anything positive to it.

Edited by siLLy puPPy - March 22 2018 at 10:05

twseel wrote: ^I sure didn't mean to ridicule you, Puppy buddy. I'll still think you're one of the best reviewers on this site and a very nice guy, and a quick exchange of political thoughts shouldn't hurt any of that. Your thoughts here would probably benefit from an expansive overview of facts from your side but of course you're not forced to defend yourself.

Thanks for the kind words

That's exactly the problem. I'm finding it impossible to convey my in depth studies in short blurbs. I'd rather focus on music than getting into all this. I'll have my own music and website out in the near future where I can articulate my ideas in a much more in depth level. However I can easily sum up the gist of my philosophy. Simply be loving to one another and focus and service to others over service to self.