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    Posted: March 02 2018 at 08:53
So now that Van der Graaf has all but retired with "Do Not Disturb", it seems fitting to look back at the albums they released since their reformation. There's been a lot of ink spilled on this site about the recent albums individually, but not much in the way of retrospective evaluation.

Given the benefit of hindsight and overview, I'd like to solicit some opinions on the "new" albums as a body of work. (As an aside, I think Van der Graaf merit some serious kudos for their commitment to regularly releasing quality, and truly progressive, material since their reunion -- something few bands of the same vintage have mustered).

I'll start off by saying I think the aggregate review scores on this site miss the mark. Present is overrated, thanks in part (I expect) to contemporary excitement over the reunion and the presence of Jackson.

Moreover, while all the new albums are good, it seems obvious to me in retrospect that Trisector is really a cut above the others. The songs are amongst Hammill's best in recent years, and the band have the room to breathe and develop the song kernels with hard-hitting instrumental passages (something missing from "A Grounding in Numbers"). I find myself going back to it the most often and find it astonishing how well it continues to hold up. It's the only record of the new bunch that I think is competitive with the band's classic releases.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2018 at 09:05
Originally posted by hegelec hegelec wrote:


Moreover, while all the new albums are good, it seems obvious to me in retrospect that Trisector is really a cut above the others. The songs are amongst Hammill's best in recent years, and the band have the room to breathe and develop the song kernels with hard-hitting instrumental passages (something missing from "A Grounding in Numbers"). I find myself going back to it the most often and find it astonishing how well it continues to hold up. It's the only record of the new bunch that I think is competitive with the band's classic releases.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2018 at 09:21
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Moreover, while all the new albums are good, it seems obvious to me in retrospect that Trisector is really a cut above the others.

^this.  While there are great songs sprinkled throughout Present, Do Not Disturb & A Grounding in Numbers, Trisector is a complete first to last song 5 star classic Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2018 at 12:33
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Moreover, while all the new albums are good, it seems obvious to me in retrospect that Trisector is really a cut above the others.

^this.  While there are great songs sprinkled throughout Present, Do Not Disturb & A Grounding in Numbers, Trisector is a complete first to last song 5 star classic Thumbs Up


TRBH, I prefer Alt to AGIN

Present is great for the first three songs, than runs out of steam... And I like DND a fair bit


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2018 at 13:01
I suppose it was a fair run, but to me they ran out of steam after Trisector (which I would give 3-3.5 stars to, so...). AGIN easily one of their weakest, all albums considered. DND I need to listen to more, but it was definitely better than AGIN (although my copy at least sounds awful sonics wise).

I'd say:

Present
Alt
Trisector
DND
AGIN


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2018 at 15:11
I’m one for A Grounding in Numbers and their recent Do Not Disturb.
Trisector was good, not great for me.
There’s so much punchy energy on AGIN, a lot of variety as well. It lacked longer cuts, but what the band packed into the short-song format impresses me to no end. Guy really shines.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2018 at 15:21
Agree with the Ozric man about AGIN...great fun indeed. Do not Disturb is a strong one, the others are pretty good but nothing really exciting afaic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2018 at 15:42
Man ... I don't really like any of them. Maybe I need to revisit but their original lineup was miles better than they are now. I've tried them all with an open mind ... even bought all of them except the last one when I finally gave up and just streamed it. But none connected.

I feel the same about Hammill's solo work. His new stuff doesn't strike me anywhere near as powerfully as his old stuff did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2018 at 17:10
^ The last Hammill solo I bought was Everyone You Hold. But VDGG have been full-steam ahead since Present, and I’m ever so grateful they decided to plow on in the new millennium.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2018 at 17:57
^ You really should get Clutch (one of his all-time best) and Thin Air, Tom.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2018 at 18:00
I think they released 4 live albums since the reformation..and they're all terrific!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2018 at 01:11
Even though the newer albums aren't as amazing as the classic albums (Still Life being my all-time favorite...), I'm really happy with the later era. Do Not Disturb is probably my favorite of the bunch, but I like Trisector a lot as well. I find those two to be a good mix of classic PH emotion and plain rocking fun. The other albums are nice as well, but they strike me as inconsistent. I very rarely listen to Present or AGiN as a whole, even though I like some of the songs a lot.

Inconsistency is a bit of a problem with Hammill's solo albums as well, but I'm still baffled how no one seems to notice his post 70's solo albums. The number of ratings on the site (let alone reviews) are very low for most of them. The classic era albums seem to overshadow his more recent output, which is a real shame because there's tons of great stuff on the later albums. I may be a fanboy, but I consider the later era just as essential in his catalog as the classic albums. The later albums are different for sure and there aren't (m)any epic majestic songs like A louse is not a home in there, but that doesn't say anything about the quality of the music. What is awesome considering PH's catalog is that there's practically always some gems on each of his albums, which makes purchasing his albums really interesting. And some of the albums are actually full of gems - like the newest one, From the Trees, which I consider a top 5 PH album. But it, also, seems to go unnoticed, (This was perhaps a bit off topic, but it's something I find curious.)

At the moment I'm really waiting for April because I'll get to see PH live for the first time. He's never going to come here in Finland, but fortunately it's an easy trip to Stockholm to attend the concert. I haven't been waiting for a concert like this since I was a teenager

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2018 at 03:34
f**ken Censoredsite that's lost an important post of mine (been working on it for 30 minutes) ... AngryOuchDead

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2018 at 04:37
^ I feel for ya’ bro.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2018 at 10:30
wait is it official that they're done?..

Anyway:

Trisector
DND
Present
AGIN
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