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Points: 43682 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2018 at 01:55
Originally posted by condor condor wrote:

Is Owner of a Lonely Heart any more pop than I've Seen All Good People?

neither are pop songs if you ask me, if I played them to people that listen to pop music, they wouldn't stand for it. 
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Points: 12732 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2018 at 21:20
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by condor condor wrote:

Is Owner of a Lonely Heart any more pop than I've Seen All Good People?


neither are pop songs if you ask me, if I played them to people that listen to pop music, they wouldn't stand for it. 


There are some around here that say that Close to the Edge is a pop song. And they seem to be very serious about it, not just fooling around.
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Points: 9233 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2018 at 02:28
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by condor condor wrote:

Is Owner of a Lonely Heart any more pop than I've Seen All Good People?


neither are pop songs if you ask me, if I played them to people that listen to pop music, they wouldn't stand for it. 


There are some around here that say that Close to the Edge is a pop song. And they seem to be very serious about it, not just fooling around.

I have heard such discussions, and it's hard to un-see it IMHO. I still get them by arguing over the seemingly-free form jazz intro, though.

I'd say Owner of a Lonely Heart qualifies as pop rock at least.

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Points: 680 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2018 at 11:26
I thought the argument was that CttE was just a very expanded version of a typical pop-song structure... but they've obviously done some very non-pop things in order to make it interesting. So much so, that it's definitely not a pop song... if all you had to do was write a very long pop song to get on PA, then Arlo Guthrie would be here too.

In the context of 80s music, Owner Of A Lonely Heart is quite pop, and in the context of early 70s music, I've Seen All Good People is like 2 pop songs in a row (or at least an accessible folky song, followed by an accessible rock song). In the context of today's music, maybe not so if that's what Cristi had in mind.
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Points: 20623 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2018 at 15:27
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

 

There are some around here that say that Close to the Edge is a pop song. And they seem to be very serious about it, not just fooling around.

Oh...that's just Mick having some fun after a few beers.

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Points: 12732 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2018 at 21:36
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

 

There are some around here that say that Close to the Edge is a pop song. And they seem to be very serious about it, not just fooling around.


Oh...that's just Mick having some fun after a few beers.

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Points: 9233 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2018 at 02:21
Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

I thought the argument was that CttE was just a very expanded version of a typical pop-song structure... but they've obviously done some very non-pop things in order to make it interesting. So much so, that it's definitely not a pop song... if all you had to do was write a very long pop song to get on PA, then Arlo Guthrie would be here too.

In the context of 80s music, Owner Of A Lonely Heart is quite pop, and in the context of early 70s music, I've Seen All Good People is like 2 pop songs in a row (or at least an accessible folky song, followed by an accessible rock song). In the context of today's music, maybe not so if that's what Cristi had in mind.

It sounds like a pop sound, but isn't a pop song...

...In the exact same way I've been told that "sounds jazzy" and "is actually jazz" are two different things Cool

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