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Dopeydoc
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Posted: December 01 2017 at 15:21 |
Stairway to Rhapsody
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: December 01 2017 at 21:12 |
stewe wrote:
To be "objective", Bohemian Rhapsody is miles ahead in terms of creativity, intricacy, artistry, progressiveness. Stairway to Heaven is "just" beautiful ballad, rather lengthy, with repetitive themes all over the track and 3-chord simple hard rock ending. However they are somewhat equal to me, and incomparable, as Stairway (and other Zeppelin) have a specific strong emotional impact on me (spontaneity, intensiveness... a bit hippie-like) whereas (early) Queen impress me more by aesthetics, composition, intellect.
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I don't find anything intellectual about Bohemian Rhapsody. To me it's just doodling on the piano, but each to his/her own I guess.
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Tillerman88
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Posted: December 02 2017 at 06:53 |
Two 70's Rock classics completely out of contest. Both ones will keep on memory throughout countless generations for diverse reasons - my own ones: intense, finely arranged melodic lines .... emanated by groundbreaking guitar riffs or freakin' catchy piano and vocal sections....... literally immortal through every new generation that once upon a time lent an ear to what their parents listened to...... Somewhat biased? Who gives the f*** anyway...at least on a non prog forum hahahah .
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The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories...
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socrates17
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Posted: December 03 2017 at 16:53 |
Neither is ever in heavy rotation on my stereo, but I'm staggered that Bohemian Rhapsody (which I'd thought was popular only due to Wayne's World) is almost tied with a real classic which actually exhibits some dynamic range.
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: December 03 2017 at 17:26 |
iluvmarillion wrote:
I don't find anything intellectual about Bohemian Rhapsody. To me it's just doodling on the piano, but each to his/her own I guess.
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Prog was already a very existent thing in 1975 too, many of our "classics" already existed (Genesis, Crimson, Yes, ELP etc), all of which have more intellectual depth anyway. I think it is media exposure that elevated the Rhapsody's popularity.
It's more of the "hey, I know that song!" kind of mentality.
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: December 03 2017 at 17:26 |
Is it just that it is a famous song that has a few section that gets everybody wet?
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: December 03 2017 at 17:28 |
Zeppelin has many songs way better and more intricate than Stairway too...
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: December 03 2017 at 17:36 |
socrates17 wrote:
Neither is ever in heavy rotation on my stereo, but I'm staggered that Bohemian Rhapsody (which I'd thought was popular only due to Wayne's World) is almost tied with a real classic which actually exhibits some dynamic range. |
hmm one may accuse Bohemian Rhapsody of many things, but it seems like lack of dynamic range need not be one of them
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 03 2017 at 19:17 |
kenethlevine wrote:
socrates17 wrote:
Neither is ever in heavy rotation on my stereo, but I'm staggered that Bohemian Rhapsody (which I'd thought was popular only due to Wayne's World) is almost tied with a real classic which actually exhibits some dynamic range. |
hmm one may accuse Bohemian Rhapsody of many things, but it seems like lack of dynamic range need not be one of them |
lol, you learn something new everyday.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: December 04 2017 at 08:02 |
rogerthat wrote:
kenethlevine wrote:
socrates17 wrote:
Neither is ever in heavy rotation on my stereo, but I'm staggered that Bohemian Rhapsody (which I'd thought was popular only due to Wayne's World) is almost tied with a real classic which actually exhibits some dynamic range. |
hmm one may accuse Bohemian Rhapsody of many things, but it seems like lack of dynamic range need not be one of them |
lol, you learn something new everyday. |
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 04 2017 at 08:31 |
I mean, why did they put that super soft piano part followed by heavy operatic chorus ("He's just a poor boy from a poor family") if not to introduce dynamics...to give just one example from a rollicking ride.
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miamiscot
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Posted: December 04 2017 at 14:56 |
Queen's only good song vs Zeppelin's masterpiece.
BR wins.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: December 04 2017 at 18:32 |
rogerthat wrote:
I mean, why did they put that super soft piano part followed by heavy operatic chorus ("He's just a poor boy from a poor family") if not to introduce dynamics...to give just one example from a rollicking ride. |
yeah it seems like the whole song is so dynamic it's almost static in its dynamism. Both have been so overplayed but I was sick of Stairway to Heaven by the mid 70s, and while I probably don't need to hear either again, I think BR every decade or so would elicit no protest from me
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kenethlevine
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Posted: December 04 2017 at 18:34 |
kenethlevine wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
I mean, why did they put that super soft piano part followed by heavy operatic chorus ("He's just a poor boy from a poor family") if not to introduce dynamics...to give just one example from a rollicking ride. |
yeah it seems like the whole song is so dynamic it's almost static in its dynamism. Both have been so overplayed but I was sick of Stairway to Heaven by the mid 70s, and while I probably don't need to hear either again, I think BR every decade or so would elicit no protest from me.
Re Miamiscot's comment, I'm not a fan of Queen and I agree BR is their best but they have a few other good tracks...not that I need to hear them again you understand |
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mechanicalflattery
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Posted: December 04 2017 at 20:37 |
BR has range, but there's nothing natural or 'dynamic' about it; it essentially consists of several brief tracks, utterly unremarkable on their own, artificially stitched together to form the illusion of some masterful whole. Excellent vocal melodies obfuscate a song that otherwise alternates between mundanity to novelty. It's not a bad song, but I generally attribute its popularity to nostalgia and the fact that most listeners never get exposed to genuinely imaginative music. It's a watered-down version of the collage techniques and studio experimentation The Mothers, Soft Machine, and The United States of America had already accomplished in the 60's (among other groups), and what virtually every prog band accomplished in the 70's. Hell, even the Beatles had already done a whole side-length collage of songs years earlier.
Stairway is overplayed, but at least it feels somewhat organic.
Edited by mechanicalflattery - December 04 2017 at 20:38
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 04 2017 at 21:11 |
mechanicalflattery wrote:
BR has range, but there's nothing natural or 'dynamic' about it |
This is a false dichotomy. It may not have a natural flow (I also think so) but if it has range, it has range. There's no such thing as 'undynamic' dynamic range. There are a number of Queen songs in fact that are constructed purely as a pastiche and have a lot of dynamic range. Going back to say March of the Black Queen on their second album.
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someone_else
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Posted: December 05 2017 at 05:46 |
Two great classics, but Bogemian Rhapsody gets the edge.
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socrates17
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Posted: December 05 2017 at 13:56 |
Thatfabulousalien wrote:
Zeppelin has many songs way better and more intricate than Stairway too... |
Black Dog, for one, leaps to mind.
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Rednight
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Posted: December 05 2017 at 14:50 |
miamiscot wrote:
Queen's only good song vs Zeppelin's masterpiece.
BR wins. |
Perhaps you have never come across a little tune titled Killer Queen. And to call Stairway' 'Zepp's "masterpiece" is slighting all kinds of material by Page and company. I personally can't state what song is.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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The Bearded Bard
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Posted: December 05 2017 at 15:49 |
Stairway
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