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Richey Edwards 
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Joined: March 31 2016 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 72 |
 Posted: August 31 2017 at 12:04 |
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I don't exist. What can I do?
Oh what can I do?
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someone_else
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Posted: August 31 2017 at 13:50 |
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Think... Just think... If you still don't exist than at least you are and that's better than nothing at all (credits go to René Descartes, who exists according to science)
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Atavachron
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65266 |
Posted: August 31 2017 at 16:09 |
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- Dude, what wuz'zat? - Oh dude. - Duuuuude! |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Kepler62
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Joined: February 09 2017 Location: Fort Erie Status: Offline Points: 501 |
Posted: August 31 2017 at 17:28 |
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OK. Little green men from other planets.
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Thatfabulousalien
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Joined: October 27 2016 Location: Aussie/NZ Status: Offline Points: 1409 |
Posted: August 31 2017 at 21:20 |
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Pineal Gland Optics
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: August 31 2017 at 21:21 |
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Organic Shadows and also Perpetual Black Second's
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: September 01 2017 at 00:18 |
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You are joking no?  Santiago de Chile, due to pollution, the temperature has risen 3 degrees in average, which is a lot.  In Mexico is worst, the average temperature is around 7 degrees C° higher in the night, something unthinkable in cities with so high altitude. This is not casual.
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someone_else
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Posted: September 01 2017 at 02:28 |
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^It is not casual, I agree, and the sum of lots of local warmings in widely separated urban areas may be called global warming. Average temperatures have risen, I don't doubt that, I just compared the yearly averages of De Bilt, NL (the Dutch main weather station which is situated at sea level, less than 30 minutes on bike from my home, some 35 km - 22 miles - from Amsterdam as the crow flies) from 1937-1966 with those of 1987-2016, and I see an increase of 1.1 degree Centigrade).
But to answer your question, it is more or less a joke. This thread has been placed in the JfF section. It's more the way that this concept her been used for political agendas that has made me put my heels in the sand. If I had known that mentioning this would cause an outburst of verbal carbon dioxide and methane as it already did, which can make it getting hot here, I would gladly have withheld my little turd .Edited by someone_else - September 01 2017 at 02:31 |
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Davesax1965
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Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: September 01 2017 at 06:36 |
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Leaving it to Ludwig Von Wittgenstein -
"1 The world is all that is the case. 1.1 The world is the totality of facts, not of things. 1.11 The world is determined by the facts, and by their being all the facts. 1.12 For the totality of facts determines what is the case, and also whatever is not the case. 1.13 The facts in logical space are the world." |
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Davesax1965
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Posted: September 01 2017 at 06:57 |
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Karl Popper also said
"We cannot be sure of anything until all the evidence is in. All the evidence will never be in. Therefore we cannot be completely sure of anything. " |
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ExittheLemming
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Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11415 |
Posted: September 01 2017 at 08:21 |
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Those who attended the same school as Adolf Hitler cannot be guilty by association but of those, the ones who subsequently became sadistic school teachers who fled prosecution are clearly not to be trusted. |
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Davesax1965
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Posted: September 01 2017 at 08:32 |
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Yes, he did get a bit slap happy. ;-)
Wittgenstein later apparently regretted writing the Tractatus and said it solved nothing. It's similar to Descartes trying to provide philosophical answer "with the same elegance as mathematics. " Doomed to failure, trying to solve the metaphysical in that manner. From what I remember, Wittgenstein also threatened Karl Popper with a poker in front of Bertrand Russell. "The club became infamous within popular philosophy because of a meeting on 25 October 1946 at Richard Braithwaite's rooms in King's, where Karl Popper, another Viennese philosopher, had been invited as the guest speaker. Popper's paper was Are there philosophical problems?, in which he struck up a position against Wittgenstein's, contending that problems in philosophy are real, not just linguistic puzzles as Wittgenstein argued. Accounts vary as to what happened next, but Wittgenstein apparently started waving a hot poker, demanding that Popper give him an example of a moral rule. Popper offered one—"Not to threaten visiting speakers with pokers"—at which point Russell told Wittgenstein he had misunderstood and Wittgenstein left. " |
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Davesax1965
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Posted: September 01 2017 at 08:37 |
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Similar to Bishop Berkely, the founder of Immaterialism, who called around for tea one day - I can't remember who he was visiting.
Berkely, in an attempt to prove God existed, came up with the idea that objects didn't exist unless they were observed. Since it was illogical to assume objects popped in and out of existence, he used this as proof that objects were always observed by the all seeing eye of God.
I think he popped around to see one of the English Empiricists - Locke, Hobbes or Hume - knocked on his door with his stick - Locke (I think) refused to let his housekeeper open the door, as the Bishop "should easily be able to step through the door if he stopped observing it". |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: September 01 2017 at 08:39 |
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Wittgenstein was a committed Christian and profoundly influenced by religious thought. This became more and more pronounced in his later years and published works. The idea that he was some sort of antidote to superstitious or transcendentalist ideas is frankly, spurious.
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Davesax1965
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Posted: September 01 2017 at 08:52 |
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Certainly was, he received the Last Rites on his deathbed and was convinced he was joining the Choir Invisible.
However, he was also strongly influenced by mathematics and that's what the Tractatus is. It's an idea to cut through pseudo-mystic cabbalistic mumbo-jumbo by providing proofs in a similar fashion to mathematics. Wittgenstein, curiously, had no time for the metaphysical (whilst strangely having strong Catholic beliefs) and was trying to demystify and classify philosophy as a science. Same pattern of thought as Descartes, although I could probably include St Anselm's "ontological proof of the existence of God" in the same manner of an attempt at mathematically logical proof - premise followed by conclusion. Incidentally, apart from the Tractatus Logico Philosophicus (1925), the only "published works of his later years" were one book review and a childrens' dictionary. |
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Magnum Vaeltaja
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Posted: September 01 2017 at 09:27 |
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Steve Vai might like a word with you! |
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when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: September 01 2017 at 09:29 |
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^^ like mathematics is some sort of rebuttal to the wish fulfillment of subjective reality e.g. = (two things in the world are identical?)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 01 2017 at 09:31 |
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We are not talking about separate areas. Every urban area in the world suffers that phenomenon in lesser or greater degree Deforestation in the amazon region rises the temperature in 5 degrees. 1 Degree Celsius is a lot, just think that a 6 degree loss may cause a glacial era QUOTE=someone_else]But to answer your question, it is more or less a joke. This thread has been placed in the JfF section. It's more the way that this concept her been used for political agendas that has made me put my heels in the sand. If I had known that mentioning this would cause an outburst of verbal carbon dioxide and methane as it already did, which can make it getting hot here, I would gladly have withheld my little turd
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.Everything is used for political agendas, that's not new.
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Davesax1965
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Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: September 01 2017 at 10:02 |
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Well, when I was at University in the 90's studying for an Honours Degree in English with History and Philosophy...... nope. ;-) There was a long period in Philosophy where mathematics was seen as the saviour of philosophical argument from descending into solipcism. The Logical Positivists were more or less championing such an approach, "prove a statement with the same rigour as that used by science". However, that, of course, doesn't work with metaphysical or moral argument, and the whole approach was somewhat abandoned in the mid 20th century. Wittgenstein, Russell and Haeckel were really contributors to the general cause, but the roots of it started in the Enlightenment.
2/2, by the way, boozer's first. ;-) |
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Davesax1965
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Posted: September 01 2017 at 10:03 |
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PS Don't blame me, Wittgenstein said it. ;-)
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