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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2017 at 20:49

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The consciousness discussion is very interesting…   Consciousness may not be a brain function.  There are records of quite a few people that have very little brain matter, mostly water in the skull and live normal lives. 

Here is just one example:

https://qz.com/722614/a-civil-servant-missing-most-of-his-brain-challenges-our-most-basic-theories-of-consciousness/

“Any theory of consciousness has to be able to explain why a person like that, who’s missing 90% of his neurons, still exhibits normal behavior,”

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2017 at 23:02
But the article does not claim that consciousness may not be a brain function, but that at our brains are more flexible and adaptable than was thought. It is now recognised that there is far more neuro-plasticity than previously thought.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2017 at 02:46
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

It is by no means so that the effect of global warming is EXACTLY equal for every place of the earth.
 
Hey who said that??
Oh boy....never mind

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2017 at 03:02
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Yes, there is consensus on anthropogenic climate change. No, I will not debate it. It is real, deal with it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2017 at 03:39
The Loch Ness Monster (funny how Aleister Crowley bought Boleskine House on the banks of the loch in 1899 solely for the purposes of performing a very dangerous magick ritual and the stories and legend started to accumulate thereafter....)Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2017 at 03:55

In a similar vain, Elvis sightings. And Big Foot...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2017 at 06:37
Sure, the Loch Ness Monster could have existed, it very well may still. It could have even been a projection of some dark magic that we can’t possibly comprehend. Whatever the case, I’m fairly certain of the reason many more know of the monster than of the bizarre happenings in the Boleskine House: It’s far easier to commercialize a skittish water creature than it is to commercialize the odd misdoing of a bisexual, recreational drug-using libertine.

Then again, David Bowie has had a fine career..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2017 at 06:50
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:


Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:


Surely there is some consensus about its existence amongst fraudulous scientists whose ... er ... science is subordinate to one or another political agenda Evil Smile. The MSM and governmental organizations try to impose this doctrine on the public in an increasingly agressive way, but I refuse to think that there is anything more scientific about this dogma than - for instance - palmistry.

I found an interesting article about it. Don't allow messages from this site because they subscribe you without asking, but it's here.
 
The thing about this article you posted is that it isn't written by any credible climatologists. You need to research those names mentioned in it to find out what their associations and true backgrounds are. Then you need to find out what "The Daily Caller" is. Is it a scientific publication or journal? Obviously not, since right-winger Tucker Carlson is a founder of it.
 
When you read the claims in it, you need to find out if they've been debunked by actual climatologists. For instance, the CO2 lag has been debunked here: https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
 
Finally, this write-up is just an opinion piece, and like a****les, every one has one. Science is something you cannot find on a right-wing opinion and "news" site, at least from my experience. If these folks had tried to published this in a peer-reviewed climate science journal, they'd be laughed out of town.


They would indeed. Very well-explained and illustrated, progaardvark.

And scientists who deny the impact that man is having on climate change/ global warming are very much in the minority. And I don't know of any credible ones that are taken seriously amongst climatologists. Of course some people get payola by think tanks and companies to publish papers. it's actually pretty easy science to have a basic understanding of.

I fully agree that the article I mentioned is an opinion piece rather than a contribution to climate science. Regretfully, articles supporting climate scepticism are to be found only on right-wing oriented sites, such as this one, Breitbart, Infowars and some others. OK, the amount of carbon dioxide (which keeps the warmth in the atmosphere, Venus is a fine example with a surface temperature of c. 460°C, 96% carbon dioxide and a pressure of 92000 hPa) has increased with more than 30% since the start of the Industrial Revolution and the temperature has increased with 0.7°C. But it is the political aspect that bugs me, the agressive ways in which it is pushed triggers my alarm bells. The KNMI (Dutch Met Office) has recently adjusted its pre-1951 maximum temperatures by lowering them by up to 1.5 degrees. The measuring methods may have become more accurate during the last decades, but, in today's political climate, this feels like altering the facts to fit the views Wink. I may have become an a****le with an opinion long after I blew my chance to become a scientist and I don't count the heads of people with similar or opposite views, but eppur si muove...




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2017 at 07:21
Originally posted by Tillerman88 Tillerman88 wrote:

Sorry for being a bit off-topic too, but there's NO consensus amongst scientists about man-made global warming.....

I don't discard that Man has been behaving as sort of a catalyst for that matter. Furthermore, today there is a considerable amount of scientists reckoning that the global warming is part of a natural cycle. The article below confirms that (albeit being from 2009, it's pretty accurate):

In the year 2009, a team of MIT scientists recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels - the first increase in ten years. What baffled the team is that this data contradicts theories stating humans are the primary source of increase in greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. Since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, however, it is probable that this may be part of a natural cycle - and not the direct result of man's contributions.

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/06/is-global-warming-part-of-earths-natural-cycle-mit-team-says-yes.html

 
One thing I would like to point out about your link is that it comes to a conclusion that the original MIT team did not. The source article makes no mentions of "natural cycles" at all.
 
This is the source article: http://news.mit.edu/2008/methane-tt1029
 
Also, in seven years, more research has been done in this area:
 
As to consensus, I'll let NASA and others speak to that effect:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2017 at 07:26
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:


Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:


Surely there is some consensus about its existence amongst fraudulous scientists whose ... er ... science is subordinate to one or another political agenda Evil Smile. The MSM and governmental organizations try to impose this doctrine on the public in an increasingly agressive way, but I refuse to think that there is anything more scientific about this dogma than - for instance - palmistry.

I found an interesting article about it. Don't allow messages from this site because they subscribe you without asking, but it's [URL=http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/12/man-made-global-warming-not-so-man-made-not-so-warm/" rel="nofollow]here[/URL].
 
The thing about this article you posted is that it isn't written by any credible climatologists. You need to research those names mentioned in it to find out what their associations and true backgrounds are. Then you need to find out what "The Daily Caller" is. Is it a scientific publication or journal? Obviously not, since right-winger Tucker Carlson is a founder of it.
 
When you read the claims in it, you need to find out if they've been debunked by actual climatologists. For instance, the CO2 lag has been debunked here: [URL=https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm" rel="nofollow]https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm[/URL]
 
Finally, this write-up is just an opinion piece, and like a****les, every one has one. Science is something you cannot find on a right-wing opinion and "news" site, at least from my experience. If these folks had tried to published this in a peer-reviewed climate science journal, they'd be laughed out of town.


They would indeed. Very well-explained and illustrated, progaardvark.

And scientists who deny the impact that man is having on climate change/ global warming are very much in the minority. And I don't know of any credible ones that are taken seriously amongst climatologists. Of course some people get payola by think tanks and companies to publish papers. it's actually pretty easy science to have a basic understanding of.


I fully agree that the article I mentioned is an opinion piece rather than a contribution to climate science. Regretfully, articles supporting climate scepticism are to be found only on right-wing oriented sites, such as this one, Breitbart, Infowars and some others. OK, the amount of carbon dioxide (which keeps the warmth in the atmosphere, Venus is a fine example with a surface temperature of c. 460°C, 96% carbon dioxide and a pressure of 92000 hPa) has increased with more than 30% since the start of the Industrial Revolution and the temperature has increased with 0.7°C. But it is the political aspect that bugs me, the agressive ways in which it is pushed triggers my alarm bells. The KNMI (Dutch Met Office) has recently adjusted its pre-1951 maximum temperatures by lowering them by up to 1.5 degrees. The measuring methods may have become more accurate during the last decades, but, in today's political climate, this feels like altering the facts to fit the views Wink. I may have become an a****le with an opinion long after I blew my chance to become a scientist and I don't count the heads of people with similar or opposite views, but eppur si muove...





You would blow your chance to be a scientist by denying man's profound effect on the climate. If you studied any science you would know that science is always be reevaluated, and new tools and models are developed and refined. Adjustment is a part of science.   But to throw out some stats, that frankly I doubt most people understand who throw them out, and then say, "Hey see, it wasn't correct so the "theory" must be full of hot air" is ridiculous.

Articles are to be found on such sites, rather in peer reviewed journals where you would normally expect science articles to be taken seriously because the right-wing power players have an agenda: preserve the status quo, pro-big business, generally pro petroleum based revenue. Scientists who have claimed that the whole climate change is fear-mongering have often been in the employ of the oil industry which creates a clear conflict of interest.

Venus has wrongfully been describes, I have read in the past, as sufficiently analogous to global warming on Earth (I remember reading about that in response to Neil deGrasse Tyson's claims). There have been claims by people such as Al Gore that proved inaccurate, and that despite him not even being a scientist seems to be something that climate change skeptics look at it and say, uh uh, see it's all conspiracy by.... Who, I don't know.   It's commonly said look for the profit motive, so may they think consortiums looking to profit from so-called green energy? Climate change and global warming has been talked about and warned about for a very long time, and the skeptics claims don't make sense. One can debate the data, and how great the effect will be, but to throw it out as non-concern, well I think that's evil because humanity is being put at risk due to economic, ideological and political interests that favour very wealthy individuals.

The measuring methods and science will improve, but to say it's not a problem or of great concern is burying one's head in the sand. Science should not be beholden to politics, it goes against the ethos.

Climate change occurs naturally, of course, but the evidence is overwhelming, and just plain obvious, that man, especially since the industrial revolution, has had a very significant impact on the climate and has accelerated change.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2017 at 07:35
I have one, ghosts. Anyone mention that yet?

Professor Brian Cox, an Advanced Fellow of particle physics at the University of Manchester, and a popular science communicator (I love his BBC shows) said,

"If we want some sort of pattern that carries information about our living cells to persist then we must specify precisely what medium carries that pattern and how it interacts with the matter particles out of which our bodies are made. We must, in other words, invent an extension to the Standard Model of Particle Physics that has escaped detection at the Large Hadron Collider. That's almost inconceivable at the energy scales typical of the particle interactions in our bodies."

Of course scientists are commonly skeptical about paranormal activity, and many scientists have put out ideas to debunk ghosts and come up with logical, scientific explanations, but his is an interesting take on it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2017 at 08:20

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by twseel twseel wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Man-made global warming.
the consensus amongst scientists would be that it does exist

Surely there is some consensus about its existence amongst fraudulous scientists whose ... er ... science is subordinate to one or another political agenda Evil Smile. The MSM and governmental organizations try to impose this doctrine on the public in an increasingly agressive way, but I refuse to think that there is anything more scientific about this dogma than - for instance - palmistry.

I found an interesting article about it. Don't allow messages from this site because they subscribe you without asking, but it's here.
Oh, when I saw your first post I assumed it was a joke. A jab at the "there's no scientific consensus!" lot. Esp with the comment about palmistry. I got a good chuckle. 

You were serious???

Sure, you can cherry pick a few cases out of people who buck the trend but, (ironic given what you said) many of those who counter tend to have...let's just say a financial incentive. If they are not being outright bought out, then they were selected because of contrarian views they already had and are coming up with work to favor the outcome wanted by certain groups. Ya can't say there's no consensus and say the MSM, gov, dogma is to blame for why so many "agree" because then you have to be fair and admit many of those who oppose the consensus have their own biases and incentives. 
Sorry but...there's a consensus. It's that simple. If you wanna disagree with human caused climate change well...OK but you can't say there is no consensus. That's just, not correct. There's having beliefs but then there's leaving the "reality based community" 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2017 at 02:59
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I have one, ghosts. Anyone mention that yet?

I did.   I mean you can't tell me those guys on Ghost Adventures are putting us on.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2017 at 03:26
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

One thing I would like to point out about your link is that it comes to a conclusion that the original MIT team did not. The source article makes no mentions of "natural cycles" at all.

This is the source article: http://news.mit.edu/2008/methane-tt1029

Also, in seven years, more research has been done in this area:

http://e360.yale.edu/features/methane_riddle_what_is_causing_the_rise_in_emissions
 yes indeed your right input just clears any possible misunderstanding about the real MIT approach, and that's good and what I should have done priorly; but my point there is just what wasn't gotten straight. It's obvious there's some bias on that article , however....it really raises a question of how much of the climate change is only man-made as opposed to the obvious contribution of a inherent natural change, don't forget that in the last couple of decades the change's rate has increased geometrically (not linearly) progression-wise......



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2017 at 04:01
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I have one, ghosts. Anyone mention that yet?

I did.   I mean you can't tell me those guys on Ghost Adventures are putting us on.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2017 at 07:42
Nothing doesn't exist according to science. Science is not there to proof the non-existence of things. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2017 at 08:10
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I have one, ghosts. Anyone mention that yet?

I did.   I mean you can't tell me those guys on Ghost Adventures are putting us on.

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