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timbo
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Posted: August 17 2017 at 12:17 |
I saw them at Huddersfield Poly back in about 1984. Can't remember if it was Geoff or Andy now. Great show, although not well attended. I used to have Fact and Fiction on cassette, and still have Live at the Target on 12", but it's probably had one playing in the last 30 years. I got it out a year or so ago, thinking "I used to really like them", but sadly my taste has changed and I couldn't get into them again. Probably it's a bit of an "angry young men" album, while I'm now a mellow middle aged man. I saw a few neo-prog bands around the same time - Marillion, Pallas, IQ, and I have pretty much the same opinion of them, too. Tim
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: August 17 2017 at 13:27 |
verslibre wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
I really liked TN with Geoff Mann and I know he was slated in the day as an awful singer but he had a passion, brutal intensity in performance yet a sensitive human with personal integrity. The lp had something very different to the rest but was marred by poor production. 'Live and let live' is an excellent lp, its a shame GM left and of course very tragic that he died so young. |
What? That's ridiculous. 
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
I saw all the NWOBPR bands and still have signed copies of 'Script', 'Sentinal', 'Fly high fall far' and 'Lush Attic'.. but lost interest in most of them after that though have see all again in relatively recent years.. i'm afraid the only one which impressed me was IQ | You're only missing a signed copy of The Jewel.  |
If you read the Malcolm Dome / Kerrang review on the R/H side of Marquee gig flyer I posted you will see what I mean and he wasn't the only dumbchuck who had that view.. its certainly not mine.
Er, yes.. 'Fly High, Fall far' was the Pendragon mini-lp which came before the jewel (which I do have but signed  ).. I only worked in music (stage crew) for just under 2 years in my late teens but got to know a few people.. I also helped a local band out who had a brief support slot with Pendragon in 1983. 
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: August 17 2017 at 13:37 |
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Interesting comments and recollections, am seemingly in a bit of a minority ref the Sears years I guess. In particular the XII album with possibly the most entertaining vinyl pull out I have ever seen! I enjoyed a lot of the so-called Neo bands of the time but TN to me always seemed a little less derivative with the angular guitar attack and the underpinned contemporary arrangements. (albeit in an 80's style). Good times and amazing how these bands were my compass for looking into other elements of prog. I even had a fierce mullet (no regrets!!!) 
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I should have said that I did and still do like the Art & Illusion mini-lp! I think the tracks were mostly written in GM's time but obviously utilized AS on vocals.. but the Clive Mitten instrumental 'Crab' was composed during the recording.. or maybe i'm talking B*****ks (again) I cant quite remember- I'm sure if I am someone will put me right 
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Blaqua
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Posted: August 18 2017 at 06:16 |
Fact and Fiction is as far as I know their best record, with Human Being being excellent.
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Progmind
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 17:43 |
Really love Live At the Marquee, incredible and energetic perfomance by the band.
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scruffydragon
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Posted: August 20 2017 at 13:39 |
Don't remember them from the 80's.I found out about Twelfth Night rather late sometime in the early part of the 90's. An old girlfriend gave me a tape of their music. But I didn't stay long with this girl so did not really play the tape too much. I think at the time I was more into Pendragon and Marillion which somewhat overshadowed Twelfth Night a bit.
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lostrom
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Posted: August 29 2017 at 07:31 |
Marillion, Twelfth Night and IQ were the best three neo prog band in the early eighties.
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noni
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Posted: August 29 2017 at 07:46 |
lostrom wrote:
Marillion, Twelfth Night and IQ were the best three neo prog band in the early eighties. |
Agree on your selection. Have to include Pendragon and Pallas... I love all five bands, but Marillion were never that consistent for me over the years as a band.
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noni
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Posted: August 29 2017 at 07:49 |
Shame there's not enough Twelfth Night videos on YouTube... Specially their last DVD they made.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: August 30 2017 at 01:07 |
Blaqua wrote:
<p ="Msonormal">Fact and Fiction is as far as I know their best record, with Human Being being excellent. |
Creepshow !!!
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verslibre
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Posted: August 30 2017 at 11:34 |
^"Creepshow" is TN's defining moment. A stunner!
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: August 30 2017 at 13:27 |
Something from the VERY early days!!
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REFaust
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Posted: September 07 2017 at 10:50 |
I love 'Live and Let Live' and did see the band around 1984 with Sears when they played supporting Pallas I belive at Hammersmith Odeon
My take on why they didn't rival Marillion in popularity is that they were weaker in the keyboard area. Mostly pad sounds and very much underdog to the guitar and six string bass, although it did make them different to other neo-prog bands. I belive Clive Mitten even played keys on Fact and Fiction as their keys player left for a while?
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Kingsnake
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 01:49 |
Twelfth Night is the only neoprog band who combined new wave and prog. I've heard proghaters who like Twelfth Night because of their new wave-sound.
On the other hand a lot of proggers don't like Twelfth Night because they are too straight forward in their songwriting.
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noni
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 05:55 |
Kingsnake wrote:
Twelfth Night is the only neoprog band who combined new wave and prog.I've heard proghaters who like Twelfth Night because of their new wave-sound.
On the other hand a lot of proggers don't like Twelfth Night because they are too straight forward in their songwriting. |
I find this rather weird how they feel... I like the fact they were very original in sound and never tried to copy anyone.
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verslibre
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 10:54 |
REFaust wrote:
I belive Clive Mitten even played keys on Fact and Fiction as their keys player left for a while? |
Correct. Clive covered on keys because Rick Battersby left. Rick returned for the shows, and the next album, Art & Illusion.
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 11:29 |
Kingsnake wrote:
Twelfth Night is the only neoprog band who combined new wave and prog.I've heard proghaters who like Twelfth Night because of their new wave-sound.
On the other hand a lot of proggers don't like Twelfth Night because they are too straight forward in their songwriting. |
If you listen to some very early IQ they were trying to incorporate some more new wave type sounds too.. but it was more self-conscious with them.. at least with Twelfth Night it was entirely unconscious.. I think this was why they received a certain amount of flack about their style and production values.
But for me 'Fact and Fiction' has something more from the heart and has an element of social and political conscience which was lacking in most other of the genre at that time (ok, Marillion had 'Forgotten sons'..)
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condor
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 16:04 |
Reminds me of Porcupine Tree (at last!), but Italian
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: September 10 2017 at 14:47 |
condor wrote:
Reminds me of Porcupine Tree (at last!), but Italian
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Italian??  They come from Reading!
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Kingsnake
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Posted: September 10 2017 at 15:34 |
TWelfth Night are as english as they come...
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