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Catcher10
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Posted: June 24 2017 at 09:30 | |
Obama, all talk no action......he was scared of the "bear". Wussy......
A former Obama official said the previous administration "sort of choked" in its effort to punish Russian President Vladimir Putin over his attempts to influence the US presidential election in Donald Trump's favor, The Washington Post reported Friday. "It is the hardest thing about my entire time in government to defend," the former senior Obama administration official told the Post. "I feel like we sort of choked." The Post report details how the CIA's assessment that Putin was directly involved in a cyber campaign to disrupt and discredit the US presidential election in an effort to help Trump prompted the Obama administration to debate dozens of options for deterring or punishing Russia. Those included proposed cyberattacks on Russian infrastructure, the release of CIA-gathered material that might embarrass Putin and economic sanctions, the newspaper reported. But President Barack Obama ultimately approved only modest measures: |
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SteveG
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Posted: June 26 2017 at 04:18 | |
Yes, hindsight is always 20/20. I don't think he choked but just made a bad decision in regards to not exposing the Russian meddling. I understand why, but with Trump it was a wasted effort on Obama's part to make himself and the Dems look decent.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 26 2017 at 15:55 | |
^^ That's right because why not lower oneself to the level of a second-rate government by cyber-attacking another country's infrastructure or embarrassing a leader with notoriously reckless and malicious CIA tactics. We have a long history of doing just that, are now getting our just desserts. But yeah why not go back to Cold War strategies that only caused more trouble.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: June 26 2017 at 19:28 | |
It would seem Hillary colluded with Russia. Why would Russia want Trump to win? It's much more likely Russia wanted Hillary to win. That's why after months of investigating the FBI, CIA, NSA, Congress, and Special Counsel Mueller can't find a single piece of evidence that Trump and his people colluded with Russia. Zero! Nada... Trump's military has already attacked Russian ally Syria's Assad twice. Most recently shooting one of Assad's jets down. Just a few weeks ago new sanctions were imposed against Russia and Iran(Another Russian ally). Remember Obama gave Iran billions of dollars. The recent sanctions were so severe that Germany's Merkel complained of the severity. And I thought Russia was Germany and Nato's biggest enemy. An Obama official testified this week, before congress on the alleged Russia hacking the DNC server. Funny thing...The Democratic National Committee refused to turn over the computer server to the FBI and CIA. If someone burgled your home and left fingerprints, why wouldn't you let the police dust for fingerprints? Here's a two minute video of congressional testimony of Obama official and failure to turn DNC computer Server over to FBI. Edited by omphaloskepsis - June 27 2017 at 17:19 |
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Catcher10
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Posted: June 26 2017 at 21:16 | |
^ I agree....I don't think Russia wanted Trump to win, or at least they preferred Hillary to win. She would be more easily controlled by other countries, than a Trump administration. Reason why Obama did nothing, he was too scared to try anything bold, show his might (or not), Hillary would have done the same thing. Voters would have listened to Obama had he come out and fought harder for his party and Hillary...Face it guys, not even he wanted Hillary in the office, he is way too smart of a guy to fall for her severe political unstable past. I bet he was fine letting her lose on her own, he knew she had no chance......Nobody is even talking about how much (if any) he is to blame for losing the office to the Republicans...he checked out months before election day.
The only thing the investigation has found is the the DNC was hacked, Obama did nothing about it......Ohh he also did nothing about stopping the FBI director from making that ridiculous report on Hillary and her email scandal. That along with the DNC, in general, lost her the win. The report needed to come out but I think the general voter had already made up their minds about Hillary and her horrible performance as Sec of State. The media/DNC knew their only chance was to play up the polls and try to convince the US voter that Hillary was going to win a land slide victory. Trump won the election long before November 2016....... No President/politician is clean, the media is trying hard to dig up something on Trump and his administration.....Nothing yet, 6 months in the books nothing yet.....
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SteveG
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 04:08 | |
Ok, let's put some things (facts) back into perspective. First off, Obama's relationship with Putin has been nothing but cold and hostile ever since the US placed sanctions against Russia for their military involvement in the Ukraine. Hillary, being President, would have extended that policy as she was it's architect, as Secretary of State, to start with. The Russians knew that she was no pushover, like Trump, and would be a hawk toward Russia going forward. Its also worth remembering that Obama brought up the meddling issue to Putin at a meeting during the last G7 summit that both attended, that was between just Putin, Obama and officials from both countries. It was not a secret.As for a US counter espionage agency hacking Russian cyber intelligence, how do we know that they didn't? That type of covert operation is supposed to be top secret, is it not?
Forth point, Trump is still is a double talking and deflecting turd, no matter what Obama may or may not done in regards to Russia and their interference in the election.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 08:42 | |
Steve, you begin with the statement, (Ok, let's put some things (facts) back into perspective.) 1. Your forth point is opinion. Although a colorful description, " a double talking and deflecting turd" in nevertheless an opinion. 2. Your 1st point contains the adjectives cold and hostile. Therefore that part of you statement is opinion. However it is true that six years into Obama's Presidency, Obama put sanctions on Russia. But, it's also a fact that less than 6 months into Trump's presidency, Trump imposed additional sanctions on Russia and Iran. Don't forget that Obama gave billions of dollars to Iran ( Russian ally). It's a fact that Trump attacked Assad's forces in Syria twice. Most recently downing a Syrian Jet. Syria's President Assad is a Russian ally. 3. Addressing your 2nd point- How could you possibly know that Hillary would be harder on Russia then Trump? That is not a fact. That sir, is your opinion. Let me introduce you to a Hillary-Russian fact. Hillary signed over to Russia 20% of United States Uranium. Uranium is the stuff that makes atomic bombs. Afterwards, Russia funneled around 150 million dollars to Clinton Foundation. These are facts. Additional Fun FACTS- The Supreme Court just voted 9-0 to lift the block on Trump's Travel Ban. Four of the Supreme Court Justices were appointed by Democrat Presidents. Two by Clinton and Two by Obama.
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Catcher10
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 09:26 | |
Politics is about a blame game, it always has been.....sadly. Bottomline Obama did really nothing about the Russia hacking, you know, maybe it was not a big deal, maybe Obama and his administration figured out "hey they do this all the time its nothing new so why bother", I am fine with that because I think it is true.
The problem is the left wing and Clinton News Network are making it a huge deal and it is starting to backfire on them...a mountain out of a mole hill. I am sure Obama said something to Putin, but not enough to scare them away, it still happened on his watch. Everyone is starting to pick up on this backfiring, the voters are now reading about it and hearing the info, they will remember this stuff and remember that it pretty much happened on Obama's watch. Again, this will not help the Dems at all in a few years. |
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Catcher10
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 09:40 | |
This Fun FACT is not a surprise at all. The Supreme Court will always and only look at the LAW, again the "CNN'ers" only look at tweets and posts/social media to come up with their stories and "witch hunts". Just like these nimrods from CNN......LOL!!!
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SteveG
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 09:52 | |
It's also a fact that the Russians felt that Hillary would be more aggressive then Obama in regard to continuing and furthering sanctions against Russia, as she is a hawk. That is also a fact. And finally, yours is the most asinine post that I've ever responded to in PA. And to me, that is fact number three. Again, you're quite the idiot.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 10:50 | |
CNN Admits Russian Trump Collusion story is false. CNN Producer claims " We did it for Ratings." 3 CNN journalists resign after publishing false Russian Trump collusion stories. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-27/cnn-exposed-undercover-sting-producer-admits-russia-story-fake-news-pushed-ratings https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/business/3-cnn-journalists-resign-after-retracted-story-on-trump-ally.html ...commentary on Piss Gate and Trump Russia Collusion Story Edited by omphaloskepsis - June 27 2017 at 11:44 |
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SteveG
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 11:34 | |
^Thanks for making my point.
In case you can't follow, I don't believe anyone on PA said that Trump was involved with the Russians. Only that the Russians meddled with the election and hacked emails, etc. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
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Evolver
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 12:45 | |
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 13:01 | |
Snopes has a liberal bias.. http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/17/fact-checking-snopes-websites-political-fact-checker-is-just-a-failed-liberal-blogger/ Even so Evolver, please specify what is false about the Hillary Russia Uranium 1 deal. 1. Do you deny that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton signed deal giving Russia 20% of USA uranium? 2. Do you deny that at least 145 million dollars flowed from Russia to Clinton Foundation? 3. Do you deny after Uranium deal, Bill Clinton received 500K per speech in Moscow? Before last election cycle even the liberal New York Times reported on Hillary-Russia-Uranium https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html Edited by omphaloskepsis - June 27 2017 at 13:09 |
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Evolver
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 13:09 | |
The truth has a liberal bias.
The NY Times has an unfortunate history of posting Breitbart propaganda. Edited by Evolver - June 27 2017 at 13:10 |
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SteveG
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 13:18 | |
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
In two evening tweets, President Donald Trump said the House Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation has the wrong target. Instead of Trump and his associates, the committee should consider the ties that Hillary and Bill Clinton have to Russia, he said. "Why isn't the House Intelligence Committee looking into the Bill & Hillary deal that allowed big Uranium to go to Russia, Russian speech money to Bill, the Hillary Russian ‘reset,’ praise of Russia by Hillary, or Podesta Russian Company," he tweeted March 27, 2017. "Trump Russia story is a hoax."
In his tweets, Trump mixed legitimate allegations that Russia meddled in the election on his behalf — for which there is significant supporting evidence — with unproven speculation that Bill and Hillary Clinton engaged in some fishy activity. We counted six things Trump said that are inaccurate, exaggerated or taken out of context. Let’s break down his claims. Trump significantly distorts the uranium deal in question by calling it "the Bill and Hillary deal." In 2010, Hillary Clinton, as secretary of state, was one of nine federal agency heads to sign off on Russia’s purchase of a controlling stake in Uranium One, an international mining company headquartered in Canada with operations in several U.S. states. It was part of a regular process for approving international deals involving strategic assets, such as uranium, that could have implications for national security. Uranium One’s U.S. mines produced about 11 percent of the country’s total uranium production in 2014, according to Oilprice.com. But even with its control of Uranium One, Russia cannot export the material from the United States. Russia was likely more interested in Uranium One’s assets in Kazakhstan, the world’s largest uranium producer. As PolitiFact and others have detailed, some investors with an interest in making the Uranium One deal go through have a long-time relationship with Bill Clinton and have donated to the Clinton Foundation. But there’s no concrete evidence those relationships or donations helped make the deal go through. Most of the donations occurred before Hillary Clinton could have known she would become secretary of state. And again, the secretary of state was one of nine agency heads that had input into the final decision, which ultimately lay with President Barack Obama. In 2010, Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank, paid Bill Clinton $500,000 to deliver a speech, according to Hillary Clinton’s 2010 financial disclosure form. Some critics of the Clintons have suggested this speaking fee might have been an attempt by Renaissance Capital to curry favor with the State Department, which was involved in the Uranium One deal at the time. But it’s important to keep in mind that Bill Clinton regularly delivers speeches for fees of $500,000 or higher — such as a $750,000 speech in Hong Kong in 2011, paid for by a Swedish communications company, and a $600,000 speech in the Netherlands, also in 2011, paid for by a Dutch finance corporation. Also, Renaissance Capital regularly invites world leaders to speak at its events, like former British Prime Minister Tony Blair and former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell. Clinton may have been involved in the Russian "reset," but the effort wasn’t very successful. In his 2008 campaign, Obama said he would seek a less confrontational relationship with Russia. The official kickoff came in Geneva on March 6, 2009, when Clinton, the Obama administration’s top diplomat, gave her Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov a red "reset" button. However, starting when Putin retook the presidency in 2012, the "reset" started to fall apart, in part because Putin accused Clinton personally of stoking anti-Putin protests. Without mentioning Putin specifically, Clinton had said the United States was concerned about the conduct of Russia’s elections and that the Obama administration supported the rights of the Russian people. In 2013, the relationship strained further when Russia took in Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who had leaked a large trove of sensitive intelligence. And in 2014, Russia invaded Ukraine, prompting new U.S. sanctions on Russia. Trump is possibly referring to information uncovered in a trove of emails stolen from former Clinton campaign chair John Podesta and published on Wikileaks. The emails include excerpts from some of Clinton’s remarks after she left the State Department, including a 2013 speech to Goldman Sachs where she said "we would very much like to have a positive relationship with Russia," and a 2013 speech to financial organization Sanford Bernstein, where she said Putin is "an engaging and, you know, very interesting conversationalist." But in the same document, there are excerpts of speeches where Clinton condemned Russia’s Ukraine invasion, called the 2011 parliamentary elections in Russia "fraudulent," questioned Putin’s record on civil liberties, and said Europe should lessen its dependence on Russia for energy resources. Putin "has used his energy weapon to intimidate Europe," she said in 2014, speaking to software company Marketo. In 2011, Podesta joined the board of Joule Unlimited, a solar-based alternative fuel company headquartered in Massachusetts, with operations in New Mexico and the Netherlands. A few months after Podesta took on this role, Anatoly Chubais, chairman and CEO of Russia-backed investment fund RUSNANO, also joined Joule’s board. There doesn’t appear to be anything untoward or illegal about the fact that Podesta sat on a corporate board with a Russian banker. Nonetheless, some of his and Clinton’s critics have played it up. Conservative website the Daily Caller has allegedthat Podesta didn’t properly disclose his shares in Joule when he joined the Obama administration in 2014. In any case, the company is American, not Russian. Trump is downplaying reality here. There might not be a vast conspiracy in which Trump is letting Putin pull the strings in the White House to help the Trump Organization’s bottom line. But there is enough legitimate evidence that Russia meddled in the election to compel the FBI to investigate some of Trump’s associates’ ties to Russia, as well as bipartisan calls for a congressional inquiry. Fueling the story is the fact that several Trump associates have specific Russia connections. Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort has long ties to pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine, for example. And former national security adviser Michael Flynn — ousted for lying about the nature of his discussions with the Russian ambassador — has a relationship with Russian state media network RT. Read our full report summarizing the slew of accusations about Trump’s alleged ties to Russia. In his tweets, Trump seems to suggest that the Clintons and their associates were working on behalf of Russia’s interests. That’s hard to square with the intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia interfered in the election in order to harm Hillary Clinton and elect Trump instead. 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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 13:30 | |
EX Head of Obama's DOJ- Loretta Lynch to face Senate probe into interference with Hillary E-Mail Scandal. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-probes-loretta-lynchs-alleged-interference-clinton-email/story?id=48237960 http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/06/26/loretta-lynch-faces-possible-felony-if-alleged-dnc-emails-exist-judge-napolitano.html In related news. Bernie Sanders Supporters class action lawsuit against DNC for fraud, request protection after 3 separate people involved mysteriously murdered.... http://disobedientmedia.com/2017/06/watch-attorneys-in-dnc-fraud-lawsuit-seek-courts-protection-cite-seth-rich/ Ex head of DNC Debbie Wasserman Schultz told a police chief there would be "consequences" if he didn't hand over her ex-IT staffer's computer over to her. Watch Debbie threaten police chief in front of crowd... Edited by omphaloskepsis - June 27 2017 at 16:48 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 17:35 | |
^ Really? A US Representative has to remind a police chief that his department by law must return a person's belongings, and you... let me get this straight... object? She nailed that fat jerk to the wall and you have a problem with it. Oh dear, how bizarre. I'm not a big Wasserman-Schultz fan but you just showed why diligence toward police departments is so important.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 18:05 | |
The court basically said, "Okay Mr. President we'll go along and after three months we go back to being the immigrant nation that has made us so strong". Diversity is our strength. |
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 18:48 | |
The laptop Debbie wanted, belonged to one of the Awan Brothers. The Awans are “accused of stealing equipment from DNC members’ offices without their knowledge and committing serious, potentially illegal, violations on the House IT network. The four Awan Brothers and 2 wives were Democratic IT staffers. They were paid 4 million dollars. They are wanted for questioning, however the 4 brothers and 2 wives fled the United States for Pakistan earlier this year. While working as staffers the Awan Brothers hacked and read dozens of congressmen's emails. Mostly Democrats. http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/13/house-hacking-suspects-could-read-every-email-dozens-of-congressmen-sent-and-received/ http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/22/sources-democratic-aide-suspected-of-major-security-breach-under-government-protection-in-pakistan/ Fun Facts- People connected with DNC emails and Debbie Wasserman-Shultz keep ending up dead. Seth Rich murder. Sean Lucas served Debbie at DNC with Class Action Lawsuit and days later he's dead. In the last month 3 attorneys in Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's district have met sudden untimely deaths. No suspects for any of the 5 deaths have been identified. This prompted the surviving attorneys in the Class Action DNC Lawsuit to petition judge for protection. (The lawsuit is on behalf of Bernie Sanders supporters who donated money to DNC for Bernie but hundreds of millions went to Hillary instead.) Edited by omphaloskepsis - June 27 2017 at 19:12 |
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