The American Politics Thread

Yes, white male evangelical (not all christians actually) people are the problem. 

Catcher10 wrote: So white male people who are Christian is the problem? Wow I guess the earth really is doomed, better kiss your a$$ good bye then!!........Relax, the process to exit the Paris agreement is almost a 4year process, I am sure you guys will not let Trump back in the White House, so the next President can vote us back in.....Assuming the agreement does not fall apart before then.

The thing is, Jose, is that Trump will keep himself out of the WH in the not too distant future. But fear not as Mike Pence will step in and rescue the party for you Repubs.

This place's gone cold.  What's the hot take of PA on the Comey testimony?  This was the first time I watched a public hearing concerned with a govt investigation (IIRC the Hansie Cronje testimony was given to ICC and not any South African govt body).  When the ex-FBI director says emphatically under oath that there's no doubt that Russia attempted to interfere in last year's elections, it ought to ruffle at least some Trump supporter feathers.  Or not?  Last year, when our former Prime Minister (and a brilliant economist) made a statement in Parliament criticising demonetisation and forecast a drop in GDP growth by at least a percent, he was dismissed as partisan with nobody bothering to ask him to validate his estimate.  Only last week, official govt estimates confirmed his forecast (upon which the Finance Minister conveniently changed the narrative, which is another story).  Still, even an economic catastrophe like demo is surely less serious than Russia interfering in US elections?  Also, the coincidence between 'hoping' that Comey would let the Flynn matter go and ultimately firing him is too much to ignore? I don't know from the outside what kind of President Pence would be but after Trump's European misadventure, an early impeachment would be a big help.

Sadly, I expected Comey to be largely underwhelming. I fully believe Trump won't let anything happen/people speak unless he's sure it won't damage him. I didn't see the hearings but supposedly Comey was quite fiesty,lots of good lines and zingers but little new/of substance was added. 

While not an expert on the details of the Paris deal, from what I gather the main issue with it was it could've/should've gone farther, not that it's too extreme, and was apparently designed to be as friendly to the US as possible. Which still meant nothing to Trump.

Soooo, the conservative experiment in Kansas has come to and end. The result: failure

JJLehto wrote: What do you mean by "given up" exactly? I don't know if the Democrats have given up on the midwest, or just assumed they will always vote for Democrats. This was a fatal flaw in the Clinton campaign who ignored the rust belt under the assumption they will automatically back her. Unless you mean specific liberal writers/liberals in general in which case I can't say I have an answer. All I can think of is as the party has become increasingly liberal on social issues, dedicated to college graduates and urban dwellers maybe they view the midwest as rednecks, backwards, too conservative etc etc Which would be a damn shame.  That'd just be arrogance. I'm a middle class, dense suburb raised, college graduate from the northeast and I don't look down on the midwest. The opposite, I do feel for lots of people who voted for Trump. While misguided, there are major problems out there for a lot of Americans who have been left behind by changes. There does seem to be some more agreement from the mainstream even that globalization has at least not worked as smoothly as believed. I agree, it's actually a stupid idea that's been pushed. You said it, there is simply not enough tech/white collar/knowledge jobs to support 100 million people. Especially with globalization creating intl competition...a good friend of mine is always nervous that he needs to train the south african branch of his company, because they are paid much much less and can design websites right there, he fears he's training his own replacement. Anyway, it's certainly unrealistic to think the "new" economy will just absorb all these people. Especially with a lack of resources. To even have a chance at landing a job like that you need college. So 4 years and many thousands of dollars. What about a 35 year old who has only worked that job and has a family. Can't exactly just go to school to study computers. Especially with such weak public assistance.

^ Raving nonsense.   Trump will resign in 2018.  

^ Not at all; this is a politics thread, you have to expect serious disagreement but you don't have to be part of any tribe (except maybe a diatribe).   Of course Hillary was a bad candidate, but compared to Trump she's a brilliant stateswoman.   Never going to be elected?   She was elected, which is why Trump is down to 19% or so of loyal followers.   He will be driven out of Washington so fast his orange skin will turn green before our eyes as the Marshals cuff him and lead him out of the White House, Trump grinning and muttering "You'll all miss me...that I can tell you, that I can tell you.  It's gonna be yooj".




Edited by Atavachron - June 09 2017 at 16:13