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Topic: RIP: All who were killed at the Manchester Arena. Posted: September 13 2017 at 05:17
The reactions are tedious every time. "Pray for Manchester" "Something needs to be done"
Well, what needs to be done? Should we be constantly on our guard because we can't bring ourselves to exclude any group from our societies? I'm sorry, but I see zero benefit to continuing to let Muslims in at all. You're not killing anyone by simply restricting immigration. Refuse to do so, and this sort of horrific incident will become increasingly commonplace.
We also need to end these insane wars though. The Muslim world certainly cannot reform itself with this constant meddling going on.
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Posted: June 05 2017 at 10:28
Either we decide we don't have to worry too much because chances are low that those attacks ever affect us, and we have all this military power stuff,...
...or, since it's mostly related to Saudis & co – vs – Iran & co – vs – Zionists & co, and we know some countries are still keen on selling non defensive weapons, let's not talk too much about religion.
Many extremists can be found on social networks (not even necessary to go on Darknet) and everyone can challenge their views... But they also can challenge ours.
Studying a religious issue like the one about Houthis (close to Iran) who's "subversive" influence is feared by jet-setting "religious" governments is revealing to anyone with a sense of fairness with a minimum of curiosity on enemy's standpoint.
First there are mutually accusing fingers and adamant idealists. Before war there's a chance to appease tensions. After war has started, slightly more difficult...
If religious people believe in a loving god, they'll commit to a system that works so fine that everyone wants to be part of it. If this system is religious, it won't need no weapon to convert anyone.
If (Saudi / Israeli )jet-setters are the blessed ones, let them keep going. If their happiness could be made of way less money, they'll want to live a simplier life so nobody will blame their "arrogance" and call it all an unfair system.
Healing will be slow, but let's remember how everyone recovered from WWI / WWII and take advantage of internet.
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Posted: June 05 2017 at 09:43
When it comes to what one believes, from a religious perspective, good bad or indifferent, there will be no changes, not until the earth is done.
These are books, teachings, ideology that will never go away. And please don't tell me that we need to "teach" the young people differently. Once you try to tell someone what they and their lineage believe is wrong, well that will never work.
You can pray to every God you know to change it......will never happen.
I agree that more drastic measures need to happen. Cutting off all forms of income, freezing all accounts, not selling them any trucks, equipment, gear, food, clothes, guns, ammo. Prosecuting anyone connected with these groups, scare everyone away.
Or simply make it a military mission to go in and continually raid, take out, infiltrate these groups where ever they are.....
But I am sure there will be some group of people or country that will say this is mean, we should not or cannot act this way.
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Posted: June 05 2017 at 09:15
M27Barney wrote:
When the religious knobs realise that their feeble faith-based world-views belong back in the dark ages - perhaps then mankind can get on with enjoying life together!
You are asking one of the most impossible things ever asked for. It will never happen. Maybe in 300 years there will only be 1 billion religious people in the world but probably the entire planet's population will be one billion anyway after global warming kills us
In every case the justification of violence is a small set of books. Books created by the behest of a 6th century war-lord are not going to be basis for a peaceful 21st century are they? Open up the qu'ran at virtually any page and you will find verses extorting his followers to kill those who do not 'Believe'. Clearly the Qu'ran is no more use in being a guide to live by than the bible or Mein Kampf. When the religious knobs realise that their feeble faith-based world-views belong back in the dark ages - perhaps then mankind can get on with enjoying life together!
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Posted: June 05 2017 at 02:27
I must say I'm growing weary of all the vapid platitudes of politicians over attacks like this. They actually reserve no right to grieve and they certainly reserve no right to talk tough, declaring "enough is enough" as we have heard from Theresa May over the weekend, and in response to yet another attack on Saturday night in London.
If this awful woman is serious about tackling extremism a good starting point would be to stop selling weapons to Saudi and Qatar; two of the world largest hotbeds of Wahabist terrorism, and oddly enough, two of the west greatest buddies in a seriously screwed up part of the world.
Just so folk know, prayer, nice thoughts, ribbons, wristbands and dialogue are actually not going to make this problem go away. Neither is a street war against Islam. There has to be a pragmatic cutting off of the snakes head.
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Posted: May 25 2017 at 10:37
Tom Ozric wrote:
.......and people are demanding their money back from the cancelled concerts. Imagine how distraught Arianna G is from this event ? Refunds should be the last thing on people's minds right now.
I am sure the tickets will be refunded even without people asking, considering the reason why. If it were me I would offer that money, since I already spent it, to a fund to help those poor families. Ticket brokers/agents should do something like that, at least offer that to those still holding tickets.
Funerals are not cheap, especially when you are not expecting it.......
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 23:29
.......and people are demanding their money back from the cancelled concerts. Imagine how distraught Arianna G is from this event ? Refunds should be the last thing on people's minds right now.
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 11:11
The T wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
The T wrote:
"PrayForManchester"....
Too much praying is one of the roots of these problems...
I don't understand this comment.......For many, many people in the world, in history, some type of prayer is at times the only self comfort a person can achieve...and give.
As a person who believes, I from across the pond feel the only thing I can do to "help" is pray for those families who lost their young children, hope that one day they are able to smile again. As a parent this is beyond anything I could imagine happening to me.
Don't get me wrong either, I also pray that these worthless pcs of sh*t who commit these crimes spend the rest of eternity in hell suffering acts of punishment that we cannot imagine.
Correct. It's self-comfort. It doesn't make any problem go away or any person actually feel better but the one doing the praying. Unless of course the receiver shares the same faith, but that can't be assumed.
You don't know that the affected parents/grandparents, don't feel some comfort and some level of feeling better by knowing that people thousands of miles away are praying for them, and if you prefer...are thinking strongly of these families.
Of course it does not make the problem go away, the problem has already happened, so what can anybody do but pray/think about these families and hope one day they will smile again.
If we don't stand together with these families, pray together or think strongly good thoughts to each other....The other options is we don't stand together, which means they win!!
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 10:52
Catcher10 wrote:
The T wrote:
"PrayForManchester"....
Too much praying is one of the roots of these problems...
I don't understand this comment.......For many, many people in the world, in history, some type of prayer is at times the only self comfort a person can achieve...and give.
As a person who believes, I from across the pond feel the only thing I can do to "help" is pray for those families who lost their young children, hope that one day they are able to smile again. As a parent this is beyond anything I could imagine happening to me.
Don't get me wrong either, I also pray that these worthless pcs of sh*t who commit these crimes spend the rest of eternity in hell suffering acts of punishment that we cannot imagine.
Correct. It's self-comfort. It doesn't make any problem go away or any person actually feel better but the one doing the praying. Unless of course the receiver shares the same faith, but that can't be assumed.
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 09:25
The T wrote:
"PrayForManchester"....
Too much praying is one of the roots of these problems...
I don't understand this comment.......For many, many people in the world, in history, some type of prayer is at times the only self comfort a person can achieve...and give.
As a person who believes, I from across the pond feel the only thing I can do to "help" is pray for those families who lost their young children, hope that one day they are able to smile again. As a parent this is beyond anything I could imagine happening to me.
Don't get me wrong either, I also pray that these worthless pcs of sh*t who commit these crimes spend the rest of eternity in hell suffering acts of punishment that we cannot imagine.
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 08:20
ExittheLemming wrote:
The T wrote:
^Because faith should be an intensely personal experience?
Not sure what you mean. Prayer for me denotes a belief in transcendental agents that the believer petitions to change an unpalatable reality that transgresses holy scripture . Strapping explosives to your person and detonating same in a crowded arena in the heart of the perceived 'infidel' is the polar opposite of 'faith'
Praying also denotes a communal or personal activity where people who believe in said transcendental agents offer their lives in exchange (though they wouldn't agree it's so transactional) for untold bliss that can take many forms depending on the creed. The belief is always, 100% of the time irrational.
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M27Barney wrote:
That's EXACTLY what a bunch of us at work were suggesting during lunch-break. Such a great idea.
