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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2017 at 13:17
Not underrated. Not overrated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2017 at 13:54
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Not underrated. Not overrated.


hah.. good answer...vanilla like that answer  Clap  I can dig that... and agree with it.  Barely worthy of being rated at all...LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2017 at 15:10
Underrated? Well, it is a Top Ten LP on most Prog lists (including PA's!) so probably not.

Awesome? One of the best albums ever!!! (But I do prefer The Lamb.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2017 at 05:15
Nothing is ever overrated. Something can be underrated.

If Foxtrot has a high rating it's cause symphonic rock (er, prog fans) like it usually. A lot.

Get the views of, say, a 1977 type punk.

This is what politicians like to call "balance".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2017 at 05:28
Supper's Ready was recently voted the number one prog song in Prog magazine, and that's half the album so obviously not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2017 at 06:43
If you're looking for a quintessentially English pastoral take on 1st Gen Prog, then you really can't go wrong with the Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound sequence from the early 70's. Although none of these are 5 star masterpieces in my book, they are uniformly strong throughout and it's testimony to their longevity and influence that they have been plagiarized and imitated ad nauseum by wannabes from every part of the globe ever since. For me, Foxtrot is maybe the pick of the bunch (and I actually rate Get 'Em Out by Friday a smidgen above Supper's Ready so turn the radio up and I'll go quietly)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2017 at 07:51
Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

Nothing is ever overrated. Something can be underrated.

If Foxtrot has a high rating it's cause symphonic rock (er, prog fans) like it usually. A lot.

Get the views of, say, a 1977 type punk.

This is what politicians like to call "balance".


Totally disagree about nothing is overrated, and I don't see how things could be underrated and never overrated. I think you're using the term in a too limiting way.

To overrate means to assess too highly and attach too much value/ significance to. To have a higher opinion of something than is deserved works at a group and individual level. It's hardly just about some aggregate rating.   Even then though, just because a large group of people like something doesn't mean that they cannot be overvaluing it in many ways and that they can't be wrong in that assessment (perhaps if they know more then they would value it less and in some cases if they knew the truth, not value it)..

If I were to say that The Flower Kings is the most significant Prog band, and if I were to say that without Dream Theater, neither metal nor metallurgy would have existed then I have overrated the significance of both of those bands.

Aside from the odd crackpot overvaluing something and the odd cult or cult nation overvaluing something, "David Koresh offers salvation", "All praise to Kim Jong-un, our glorious leader", and "Donald Trump is too honest", I think huge numbers of people internationally overrate people, things and concepts. I find superstitious belief systems overrated that have huge numbers of adherents.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2017 at 10:25
a very complete album no noodling at all, a triumph the best of the bunch

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2017 at 10:24
A bit overrated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2017 at 10:43
Probably a tad much to think that an album as celebrated as Foxtrot is underrated merely because Selling England By The Pound seems in higher praise.
Well I can tell you that it used to be the other way around. I remember Foxtrot being both the highest ranked Genesis album on PA's chart as well as being the absolute bee's knees round the fora. Hell everyone here but a rare chosen few love this album.
It's like calling Animals underrated because Dark Side Of The Moon trumps it on the chart.

There I went a whole post without mentioning the faulty concept of the word underrated
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2017 at 19:16
Overlooked by those who've never looked - yes.  Otherwise, no.....unless we have different ideas as to what "underrated" means.
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2017 at 21:14
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Probably a tad much to think that an album as celebrated as Foxtrot is underrated merely because Selling England By The Pound seems in higher praise.
Well I can tell you that it used to be the other way around. I remember Foxtrot being both the highest ranked Genesis album on PA's chart as well as being the absolute bee's knees round the fora. Hell everyone here but a rare chosen few love this album.
It's like calling Animals underrated because Dark Side Of The Moon trumps it on the chart.

There I went a whole post without mentioning the faulty concept of the word underrated


Or even more so, like saying "Dark Side of the Moon" is underrated because "Wish you were Here" is higher on the chart.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2017 at 22:17
Its in the top 10 albums on the site so i don't think its overrated. Cant get much more "Rated" than top 10
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2017 at 23:12
I love some of Foxtrot. As to whether it’s underrated is grounds for an already interesting discussion amongst members here. My take on this discussion is I don’t think it’s underrated at all. I think if anything it’s overrated by Genesis fans. Watcher of the Skies and Supper’s Ready are the remarkable bookends to a middle selection of songs that just doesn’t measure up to what the band would later achieve. Don’t get me wrong I like that little Hackett excursion Horizons, but it’s hardly substantial. Time Table, Get ‘Em Out By Friday, and Can-Utility and the Coastliners aren’t as striking as the two bookends in which I just mentioned. They are also quite unmemorable --- I always get these pieces mixed up somehow. Things improved with Selling England by the Pound, but I still maintain that The Battle of Epping Forest is one of the worst Gabriel-era pieces. He never shuts up! Anyway, that’s a topic for another thread. In closing, Foxtrot is notable for the afore mentioned bookends, but little else IMHO.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2017 at 02:01
I vastly prefer Foxtrot to SEBTP. SEBTP is my personal least favourite of the (admittedly only four) Genesis albums I've heard. There's hardly anything there that grabs me. Firth of Fifth is magnificent, I'll give them that. But the rest is mostly forgettable. My mind often wanders during Battle of Epping Forest and when it comes back, I'm thinking "Is this still going on?"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2017 at 22:39
As someone who appreciated albums like Selling England By The Pound realtime,  I consider a 2 star rating as symptomatic of  how poisoned the water has been for the last 50 years.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2017 at 23:17
Originally posted by RoeDent RoeDent wrote:

I vastly prefer Foxtrot to SEBTP. SEBTP is my personal least favourite of the (admittedly only four) Genesis albums I've heard. There's hardly anything there that grabs me. Firth of Fifth is magnificent, I'll give them that. But the rest is mostly forgettable. My mind often wanders during Battle of Epping Forest and when it comes back, I'm thinking "Is this still going on?"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2017 at 23:28
arggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggh! NO simple put
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2017 at 13:52
Rated properly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2017 at 13:53
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

It's not underated.....Supremely OVERATED. A cover that makes no sense and a 24min song about religious gibberish.
It suxs......

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