The American Politics Thread

Catcher10 wrote: That article has no calories, no substance ..*snip*

what was that quote from Bull Durham.. this conversation is rapidly approaching Martian and Fungo status

first off.. show me any work done to show that their are no negative effects to this. Of course you won't and can't all you have are the verbal assurances of the administration that ...  this will be the greatest duty ever.. everyone will be happy.. America will be greater. Words.. empty rhetoric with no basis. No one loses their job... the only people hurt will be the bad bad Canadians taking advantage of us..  Sorry man that fails any test of reason.. and it just happens that those in the field and economics called bullsh*t on such claims.

Jesus man.. and do you all really wonder why so many question the intelligence of those that just accept what Trump and his minions put out at face value. It is your duty to be skeptical.. especially when the man is walking confict of business interest.. oh.. not to mention having zero experience in governing... made worse by surrounding himself with advisors that (unlike Bush ) are just as inexperienced and over their head.

second off... there is a wonderful thing called hyper links.. if you bother to check them out and find the substance and calories to that report. that link postedwas a summation. I figured this might be an educated reasonable conversation but perhaps I should have known better and so it goes into the toilet. At least you didn't call it fake site or alt facts as many with their heads in the sand like to do when their cute little notions don't pass reality checks.

Note..and this is the important point

This was not this was from a politically partisan source.. that can be just ignored as political postering...but one who.. ahem.. are directly involved and affected (be it positively or negatively) by it. If they found it wouldn't have made a difference.. they would have said as much but they didn't.  It helps the timber industry here the report says as much... but it does far more damage to others than the little it might do for timber states and their workers.  That is not a value judgement... just what economists believe.   Protectectism  may save a few jobs to the select few.. but downstream it will cost many others their jobs.  It is what we call a negative sum gain. 



Edited by micky - April 29 2017 at 13:33

yeah.... the Captchas really suck man

anyhow.. find me something factual to debunk, perferable as that was from a apolitical source, those findings and numbers and we can pick this up again if you wish.

Pretty much. The tired ol "socialism/big guvmint/liberties/free markets" bullet points it really is brainwashing. A higher min wage, soc security, welfare, ACA/universal healthcare all would benefit most the states that least want it.

JJLehto wrote: Also Trump continue to be a bully. Picks on an easy target, I mean Canada is about as low on the list of concern as can be,

thought about this for some Brian...  that goes to something which scares teh hell out of me.  Oh the domestic stuff.. we can fix.. there is little he can f**k up we won't fix in 2020. Obama was able to repair 8 years of Bush even if he will get little to no credit from it from many Americans.

What scares me most.. is that mentality applied on the foreign stage.  He has probably already found out what Obama learned..  talking tough about Isis Syria and Afganstan is well good and good on the campaign trail.. now he has to deliver.. that is a tough nut to crack for experts, though experienced in world affairs. 

Yet especially with spining his tires and butting up against the Democratic Party he has completely alienated and his own fractured party he has got nothing of any substance accomplished.. and to be honest... the chances he will are very slim.  The window on his control of Congress is closing.. and god help him or anyone if they think he'll find the Democrats willing to play with him. He'll be lucky if the first thing they don't do is draw up Artciles of Impeachment against him. He'll be lucky if all they do is get rid of the obstuctions and proceed iwth independent investigations of him and his administration.

what scares me most if short of being able to accomplish much.. he'll go the for might appear to be an easy target. North Korea.  Easier perhaps.. to look tough and drop some bombs.. but a 1000 times messier if (when) they said f**k it and just unleash hell upon the one of the worlds largest economies not to mention millions of innocent civilians. All because he thought it was a good idea to shake a stick in a rattlesnake pit.

The resulting chaos, death and destruction would makeBush's unnecessary war mongering in Iraq that a decade+ later is still a f**king mess.... look like kids play in comparison.

hahah... oh that's too funny...

so what's it going to be in 2018 a two for one sale.. why impeach one.. which you can do both.. and the best part.. take the Presidency and have Nancy f**king Pelosi as goddamned President LMAO!!!

*spits wine all over monitor*

and who says Karma isn't real....

in all serousness...  they've already been headed this mess off on the twitterverse.. they're blaming Obama (of course) for Flynn's vetting. Sounds stupid but .. it works!!!

 And you know what.. I bet there are millions of his supporters that..well aren't paying attention because that.. well .. that is what Trump voter is good at.. advancing the art of ignorance.

but many who might turn in to Rush.. or Fox.. or Breitbart..... will believe it. Good times...

Speaking of domestic policy being difficult:

The T wrote: My series of "Glorious Quotes by our Beloved Guide" continues:  "People don’t realize, you know, the Civil War, you think about it, why? People don’t ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not be worked out?"

Edited by The Dark Elf - May 01 2017 at 17:52

Holy crap. This thread has made me feel so much better. On other music forums I try to avoid political discussions because even when there's more rational people, they're outnumbered by the people who want to "give Trump a chance" or are all the way to supporting him no matter what.

Edited by NateHevens - May 01 2017 at 22:35