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With Ashes Are Burning, it very much depends on which version.  My favourite is the one they played at Ashbury Park, 1979.  Kept it tight on the instrumentation front while Annie went bonkers on the vocal solo and hit the big Ashes are burning aWAYYY note with a lot of gusto, even by her standards.  Some other versions like the Albert Hall one are just unwieldy.  And Ashes is one track where the years have taken a toll on Annie or maybe it's her hearing issues.  Whatever it is, the vocal solo falls flat these days and, yes, I would be happy to see her shelve it because Tesar and Brislin come up with great piano/keyboard solos anyway. 

The advantage of the studio version is (a) its brevity compared to the live cut and (b) the lovely guitar solo.  Disadvantage is here as well as on the album as such, Annie is still a bit raw and it doesn't resonate with me the way her singing on the live versions (esp from 77 or so onwards where she really loosened up) does.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2017 at 22:56
I love the live in Chicago version even though it's only the final part.  What she does there is beyond incredible, and so utterly accessible if people would just listen
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

I love the live in Chicago version even though it's only the final part.  What she does there is beyond incredible, and so utterly accessible if people would just listen

I think some people's ears don't agree to 6th octave notes and higher and they unfortunately choose to blame Annie for it, accusing her of showing off when really she does it with far more restraint than the many pop divas who show off their whistle register.  I wouldn't have been surprised if Annie had actually had the ability to go beyond G6 (which is her highest recorded note and which she hits in that Chicago performance) but didn't because that part of range becomes less and less useful, musically speaking.
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Has anyone heard Annie's solo compilation, with songs recorded over the course of her career, titled Woman Transcending? I's got quite few non prog bright spots.

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Listened to this Jewel this morning. Cool Hipgnosis cocer.

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Thumbs Up A great start to the morning, no doubt. Btw, I'm convinced that Hipgnosis=Prog!
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Has anyone heard Annie's solo compilation, with songs recorded over the course of her career, titled Woman Transcending? I's got quite few non prog bright spots.

Yup, Willow Song in particular is beautiful.  Wish Seasons had also been included in the compilation (she did that one too with Raphael Rudd).

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Yes it is. Was any of the material on this album previously released, or were they all kept in Annie's attic?
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Yes it is. Was any of the material on this album previously released, or were they all kept in Annie's attic?

I guess Reaching Out was released on the Intergalactic Touring band release (1977) while Willow Song was on Raphael Rudd's Awakening which was recorded in 79 thereabouts but only released in the early noughties.
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I used to have Annie In Wonderland, and apart from one song which Jon Camp guested on, I didn't really get into it
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I used to have Annie In Wonderland, and apart from one song which Jon Camp guested on, I didn't really get into it


I love it but then I do like it when a singer comes up with a very fresh approach to standards (which may not necessarily be something that interests prog rock listeners) and Annie hit If I Loved You and Going Home out of the park.  Nature Boy was patchy but the vocalise coda was outstanding, with even scat phrasing which I hadn't expected.  It's the album that demonstrates her versatility like nothing else she's done.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2017 at 10:36
I think I was too "young" for Annie in Wonderland when it came out.  But I agree with Tom that the Camp guested songs were my favorites, sounding most like Renaissance of that time (eg Northern Lights)

I do like the IGTB track "Reaching Out", but then I like that album as a whole
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I used to have Annie In Wonderland, and apart from one song which Jon Camp guested on, I didn't really get into it


I love it but then I do like it when a singer comes up with a very fresh approach to standards (which may not necessarily be something that interests prog rock listeners) and Annie hit If I Loved You and Going Home out of the park.  Nature Boy was patchy but the vocalise coda was outstanding, with even scat phrasing which I hadn't expected.  It's the album that demonstrates her versatility like nothing else she's done.
Wow !! I still have this LP - it was relegated to a cupboard in the garage years ago, I thought it went on one of our garage sales. It's not bad (3 stars) - I still prefer Renaissance from that period. As always, Roy Wood worked hard. Inside My Life is the song I love. Could've been on Azure D'or.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I used to have Annie In Wonderland, and apart from one song which Jon Camp guested on, I didn't really get into it


I love it but then I do like it when a singer comes up with a very fresh approach to standards (which may not necessarily be something that interests prog rock listeners) and Annie hit If I Loved You and Going Home out of the park.  Nature Boy was patchy but the vocalise coda was outstanding, with even scat phrasing which I hadn't expected.  It's the album that demonstrates her versatility like nothing else she's done.
Wow !! I still have this LP - it was relegated to a cupboard in the garage years ago, I thought it went on one of our garage sales. It's not bad (3 stars) - I still prefer Renaissance from that period. As always, Roy Wood worked hard. Inside My Life is the song I love. Could've been on Azure D'or.


I love Inside My Life but also Rockalise and Never Believed in Love from the originals.  Still...If I Loved You takes the cake for me.  The lovely harp and then just Annie's entrance alone sends shivers down my spine.  You should really compare it to the overwrought, faux-operatic original to understand what she did with that song.  Barbara Streisand has also rendered that song and it doesn't come close to the rendition Annie gave on Annie in Wonderland.  Even Annie's stab at it later on on Brazilian Skies/One Enchanted Evening sounds a bit pale compared to that incredibly soulful rendition.
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^ I will spin this once again later (currently on the lengthy onslaught of Iron Maiden's 'Book Of Souls'). See, many moons ago, I just went along to record fairs and bought any vinyl which had a familiar name(s) on it. I never honestly gave it a chance. I love the voice of Annie (she not too shabby on the eyes either ). I've always loved Wood's artwork (even with The Move).
Also, those Billy Sherwood 'guest star' projects has Annie singing on a track called 'Social Circles' (the first 'Prog Collective album). Even if the song itself is a little ropey, composition-wise, it's just bliss to hear this Angel's voice weaving the magic all over again.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2017 at 22:20
^ Isn't "Social Circles" the one in which Sherwood vocoded Annie's vocals? From the first Prog Collective album? I have that one, and I remember being irritated at how he was able to kill the wonderful singing of Haslam with his production.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2017 at 22:33
^ Really, was it vocoded ?? I don't recall that, but I haven't spun the album for a while. I must check it out. I love both of those Prog Collective projects. I have no qualms with whatever ideas Sherwood pursues, he's a great musician etc.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ Isn't "Social Circles" the one in which Sherwood vocoded Annie's vocals? From the first Prog Collective album? I have that one, and I remember being irritated at how he was able to kill the wonderful singing of Haslam with his production.

Where in that track does she sing exactly?  Because I am listening to Social Circles now and can't find her vocals.  To be fair, I am skipping because I did not find it interesting.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2017 at 01:25
^ Most of the 2nd LP features instrumental versions of many 'vocal' tracks which appeared earlier on the album.
But for now, I'm spinning A Song For All Seasons. Currently on the Genesis-like intro of Kindness (At The End). Love what Jon Camp adds to this wonderful band, he has the intricate, melodic sense of dear Chris Squire (with a lovely Rickenbacker to boot). Oh, and if anyone says the beautiful slow section of Day Of The Dreamer doesn't 'move' them, then they got no heart. Seriously, this thread has got me digging out my Ren LP collection. Opeth will just have to wait for now.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ Most of the 2nd LP features instrumental versions of many 'vocal' tracks which appeared earlier on the album.


Ah, no wonder.
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