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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: March 19 2017 at 00:37 | |||
The purpose behind the increase in military expenditure is, in my view, both much less complicated and, at the same time, much more sinister.
Imagine that at some point in the near future conscription were brought into the equation, this could be expected to result in the streets being swept clean of 'undesirable elements' while also resulting in a drastic reduction in unemployment. Two election promises fulfilled in one fell swoop. Public support would be overwhelming. That this would also be a direct preparation for war with anyone, anywhere in the world would be either ignored or regarded as being secondary. The presently escalating situation with North Korea would, given the right spin, be the trigger that could enforce a perceived necessity for such legislation. But there will also be others. Although this sounds cynical, remember that we're dealing with the conservatives here: This would be a great opportunity to put a gratifyingly large number of those 'undesirables' into little black boxes. Instant national heroes who will cost the state absolutely nothing any more. Again: this has Steve Bannon written all over it. Edited by npjnpj - March 19 2017 at 00:58 |
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833 |
Posted: March 19 2017 at 08:06 | |||
I don't think you are over-thinking it. Hell I applaud the effort to try to figure out what makes them tick. It is a scary road of hate, ignorance, and paranoia. I took it myself since it is so completely contrary to how I was raised and the person I grew to be, and yet worked with and even was friends with those completely different in their thinking than I was and feel pretty safe to safe I"m the only member of this forum to have ever attended a KKK meeting so yeah... your pool of respondants here is fairly limited as it is not exactly a ideologically diverse forum You do raise some interesting 2nd amendment points.. I may touch on those later. |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 20 2017 at 16:38 | |||
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Kepler62
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 09 2017 Location: Fort Erie Status: Offline Points: 501 |
Posted: March 20 2017 at 17:05 | |||
So now we can all sleep.
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timothy leary
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: March 20 2017 at 17:19 | |||
with one eye open
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A Person
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
Posted: March 20 2017 at 17:37 | |||
GRIPPING YOUR PILLOW TIGHT
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 20 2017 at 17:48 | |||
One wonders if Trump was fed the story to provoke him into the idiotic frenzy that it did. On the other hand, he really needs no help at all.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 20 2017 at 20:04 | |||
Really, if you think about it, this whole wire tap thing was a self-inflicted wound. If he never mentioned it, it wouldn't have reflected so badly on his integrity or his sanity. Now, not only do we think that perhaps, maybe, he is a deluded liar, we know for certain he is a deluded liar.
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progaardvark
Collaborator Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 50981 |
Posted: March 21 2017 at 06:31 | |||
He gets his intelligence briefings from Breitbart, Fox News, and Alex Jones.
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Kepler62
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 09 2017 Location: Fort Erie Status: Offline Points: 501 |
Posted: March 21 2017 at 06:42 | |||
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkhCqFG6Qv0&t=506s
Couldn't get the Youtube link to work. Edited by Kepler62 - March 21 2017 at 06:44 |
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: March 22 2017 at 12:21 | |||
Ok, so once again, I'm puzzled. Is there anyone here who knows his or her way about US law (a bit)?
If Trump threatens house members that they will lose their seats if they don't vote in vavour of his healthcare bill, doesn't that constitute coecion and could be interpreted as (another) felony? It's practically forcing house members to possibly vote against their own convictions so as not to suffer personal repercussions. How is this not coecion? I mean, it seems as if I'm way off beam here, because the outcry both inside and outside the GOP should be pronounced, to say the least if I were correct. So where am I going wrong in my thinking? Edited by npjnpj - March 22 2017 at 12:22 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 22 2017 at 16:08 | |||
^ He's saying he thinks voters will vote for someone else at the midterm elections if members reject the healthcare bill. The president can't fire them. That said, Lyndon Johnson was known for threats and coercion but he was a lifelong career politician and had tons of influence and political capital by 1964. Trump is a green amateur compared to LBJ.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 22 2017 at 17:39 | |||
^ Trump (or anyone else) can get involved in a congressional election and more or less tell voters that he does not approve of said person and further more, he does not want people to support said person. I don't know how much power Trump is going to have in a year and a half when the elections take place, by then people (even Republicans) may not care who he does or does not approve of. It could even get to the point where Trump's approval could be a politician's kiss of death.
I know a lot of conservative voters and Republicans, and very very few (almost none) have a positive opinion of Trump. Some voted for him so as to defeat Clinton, but I think he is turning out to be much worse than what anyone imagined. I don't know where this 37% approval rating is coming from. In the very conservative district where I live, I would guess it to be more like 10 or 15%. I don't think his policies annoy the conservatives around here, but his childish behavior definitely does. Edited by js (Easy Money) - March 22 2017 at 17:54 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 22 2017 at 18:05 | |||
^ I've been observing that too; people don't just roll over because some guy is President.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: March 22 2017 at 23:31 | |||
Thanks guys, that explains it, of course. The way it was worded in some news outlets led me to believe that Trump could directly relieve house members from their posts, or at least relieve them of some of their functions.
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SteveG
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Posted: March 23 2017 at 09:40 | |||
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HackettFan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 20 2012 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7951 |
Posted: March 23 2017 at 19:33 | |||
Vote on Trump health"care" delayed. This is what results when you fail to get a mandate. Oh, and by the way, though it's not the final word; ha ha!
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A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: March 23 2017 at 23:00 | |||
Lots of news recently, none surprising.
The Trump "budget" (loosely used since it's lacking on a little known as revenue) boosts military, natl security spending, puts some money aside for that f**kin wall that he probably is gunna actually attempt, all paid for by massive cuts to most else...the EPA and science in general taking a massive hit. No shock to any of that. Healthcare repeal is floundering. Despite 7 years of yelling repeal, seems the GOP never discussed a plan. It's pretty amazing to see them try to navigate this debacle. As of now the bill doesn't have the votes in either chamber but I'm sure they are working on sweeteners, kickbacks, threats and maybe concessions to try and get everyone on board. We shall see. Again no shock to this. It's just funny to me to see the Freedom Caucus is possibly gunna kill this bill and they are from the anti gov movement started basically by bashing Obamacare Gorsuch is going through hearings. Been pretty normal....the opposition trying to find ways to get him to answer something while he vaguely rolls around trying to not answer. Its mostly show, supposedly Al Franken really shown...some wonder if he's setting up for 2020. The SC situation still enrages me. The GOP can hold the Court hostage, literally steal a seat, and they will get away with it. Either the Dems obstruct and get nuclear optioned, or accept it and are screwed out of the seat. Either way Gorsuch is in and they got royally f**ked. Personally, I'd say it's wise to put up a tokenistic effort but not filibuster Gorsuch. Why give McConnell what he wants? On the flip side...I am not sure I totally buy into the "dont fight this one, keep the filibuster, fight the next justice" because Mitch will use the nuclear option anyway.... I sometimes fight the urge to say "f**k it" just filibuster, the future of the court is probably gunna be up/down votes anyway since loooong before Garland, the process was getting crazier and crazier. Or ya know the GOP can find their backbone and come up with a gang to solve this bipartisanly like they did under Bush .....
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: March 24 2017 at 01:34 | |||
I wonder if Trump thnks that a filibuster is anything that exceeds 140 characters.
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: March 24 2017 at 03:39 | |||
This
healthcare thing: I don't live in the US, so perhaps someone could explain to
me how such a plan could even be considered. Edited by npjnpj - March 24 2017 at 03:42 |
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