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    Posted: March 08 2017 at 01:02
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/WithACloud/the-most-overrated-prog-bands-ever/

So what do you guys think Tongue?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 01:10
Perhaps ELP. They do have their moments with songs like "Lucky Man" or "The Sheriff", however the rest of their work is filled with pretentious, self-indulgent, and bombastic noodling(half the bands on your list are probably similar in this regard, but I've yet to listen to them and don't plan to). Look no further than Karn Evil 9. ab-so-lute rub-bish   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 01:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 02:24
Originally posted by Chilltoss Chilltoss wrote:

Perhaps ELP. They do have their moments with songs like "Lucky Man" or "The Sheriff", however the rest of their work is filled with pretentious, self-indulgent, and bombastic noodling(half the bands on your list are probably similar in this regard, but I've yet to listen to them and don't plan to). Look no further than Karn Evil 9. ab-so-lute rub-bish   

Hmmm.  Interesting definition of rubbish.  You create something better and then we'll talk.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 03:30
I have never heard Egg! Oh well...

Nothing on that list is any more pretentious than any othjer prog, and I don't have a problem with pretentiousness in music. If every artist "kept it real" every band would be like the f***ing Housemartins....

Gentle Giant springs to mind, not as necessarily being pretentious but certainly quite contrived and annoying, at least for my ears. Like a mob of music professors making 'clever' music to prove they can. Very little entertainment value for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 04:16
Originally posted by Chilltoss Chilltoss wrote:

Perhaps ELP. They do have their moments with songs like "Lucky Man" or "The Sheriff", however the rest of their work is filled with pretentious, self-indulgent, and bombastic noodling(half the bands on your list are probably similar in this regard, but I've yet to listen to them and don't plan to). Look no further than Karn Evil 9. ab-so-lute rub-bish   

Harsh - you sound like a punk journalist from the late 70s
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 04:58
can't really disagree with those choices (maybe add TFK and SBWink), though Rush in #1 is definitely not my idea of over-rated  
 
But I have a sense that the list maker meant ridiculous rather than over-rated
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 05:58
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

can't really disagree with those choices (maybe add TFK and SBWink), though Rush in #1 is definitely not my idea of over-rated  
 
But I have a sense that the list maker meant ridiculous rather than over-rated

Rush aren't number one. Dream Theater is. There is a picture of Rush but they don't appear to actually be on the list. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 07:47
The "Overrated" title seems a bit radical to me, since most people don't even have a clue on how to play an instrument, what to speak of writing a song, and yet, decide that somebody's music is good or bad, pretentious or overrated etc, based on our personal taste and opinions, which are as faulty, if not more, than the people who wrote the music we criticize.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 08:29
IMHO, Riverside is a lesser-known band, not in the same notoriety league as ELP, Marillion or Dream Theater.

Personally, from this list, I find Dream Theater very overrated since 2000, not as inspired and impacting as before.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 08:40
Egg? No way, dude. Not a huge fan of the whole Canterbury scene but both 1971's The Polite Force and The Civil Surface from 1974 are brilliant.

ELP and Kansas? Stop the madness. They're both terrific.

IQ and Marillion? Neo-Prog is not my favorite sub genre either but they are the two best practitioners of it.

Riverside? Ridiculous.

Most overrated Prog band? Le Orme.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 09:08
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:


Gentle Giant springs to mind, not as necessarily being pretentious but certainly quite contrived and annoying, at least for my ears. Like a mob of music professors making 'clever' music to prove they can. Very little entertainment value for me.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 09:27
Ok, maybe they are pretentious
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 10:42
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

The "Overrated" title seems a bit radical to me, since most people don't even have a clue on how to play an instrument, what to speak of writing a song, and yet, decide that somebody's music is good or bad, pretentious or overrated etc, based on our personal taste and opinions, which are as faulty, if not more, than the people who wrote the music we criticize.

Thank you.

Every few months this thread comes along without searching for the numerous existing incidents of the same thing so a handful can sling about the p-word and feel they are somehow clever and original while ignoring that such behavior is the quintessence self-indulgence. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 10:54
King Crimson or Van de Graaf Generator.

Pick either. I loathe them both.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 11:17
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

King Crimson or Van de Graaf Generator.

Pick either. I loathe them both.


I would say that those two are the most underrated Prog bands, at least underrated by you.

I know why you don't like Van der Graaf Generator, it's because of Hammill's vocals, but I don't recall why you loathe King Crimson so much.

Edited by Logan - March 08 2017 at 11:18
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 11:20
Originally posted by Chilltoss Chilltoss wrote:

Perhaps ELP. They do have their moments with songs like "Lucky Man" or "The Sheriff", however the rest of their work is filled with pretentious, self-indulgent, and bombastic noodling(half the bands on your list are probably similar in this regard, but I've yet to listen to them and don't plan to). Look no further than Karn Evil 9. ab-so-lute rub-bish   
 
I can't possibly disagree more. "Karn Evil 9" is the reason ELP is one of my favorite bands. They were ahead of their time.
 
If you prefer more straightforward melodic fare, like the type Floyd was doing in the mid-70s, then I understand why you'd hate ELP.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 11:59
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

The "Overrated" title seems a bit radical to me, since most people don't even have a clue on how to play an instrument, what to speak of writing a song, and yet, decide that somebody's music is good or bad, pretentious or overrated etc, based on our personal taste and opinions, which are as faulty, if not more, than the people who wrote the music we criticize.

Thank you.

Every few months this thread comes along without searching for the numerous existing incidents of the same thing so a handful can sling about the p-word and feel they are somehow clever and original while ignoring that such behavior is the quintessence self-indulgence. 
 
Both these posts go along with my thoughts as well.  I didn't even look at the list because I really do not care.  Pretentious is just a word used by people who do not like Prog.  If they prefer punk or some kind of alt-pop, or whatever, that's fine, they can listen to what they want.  They don't have to listen to Prog if they don't want.  That's their prerogative.  It is also mine to listen to what I like, and I listen to Prog.  No, I don't like every artist listed here on the Archives and I listen to quite a bit that would never be on this site (at the moment is it Sunken Condos by Donald Fagen; a few minutes ago it was Dominant Curve by classical quartet Brooklyn Rider).  My ears, my listening.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 13:00
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

King Crimson or Van de Graaf Generator.

Pick either. I loathe them both.


I would say that those two are the most underrated Prog bands, at least underrated by you.

I know why you don't like Van der Graaf Generator, it's because of Hammill's vocals, but I don't recall why you loathe King Crimson so much.

1) I don't like Fripp's guitar style at all
2) Too self indulgent
3) Poor composition (with the honorable exception of Epitaph, ITCOTCK and The Night Watch)
4) Jamie Muir (on LTIA)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2017 at 14:38
Yes imo, too many bad albums.
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