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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2017 at 10:00
We don't even really bother. American politics is all over the Canadian media. Often American politics is the lead story on TV News. Even in the newspapers that we have left.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2017 at 07:17
@Kepler:

Well, not only here in Germany, but in practically all regions of the globe there's no getting away from your orange 'Clown' (one of your FBI executive's word, not mine). The fact is that every one of his twitter farts makes it all over the world and dominates the news everywhere.

I could go into the details of why Trump's actions and words have such enormous impact, but an average PC would run out of RAM before the page could finish loading. I assume you don't realise the impact he has.

To mention only one concern: you've got one sick puppy in charge of the US nuclear arsenal, and he doesn't take being painted into a corner very well, although actually he's doing most of the painting himself. And that's everyone's concern, everywhere. When he finally loses it big time, there are no checks and balances in place to stop him.

As for your Deutschland remark: may I remind you that currently you're the one with the Führer, not me.

PS: Hang on, I've just noticed that you're not an American either. What the hell, man?

PPS: Out of interest: is it a Canadian thing that you're only allowed to be interested in local politics, or is that just you?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2017 at 06:06
^I find npjnpj's perspectives on American politics refreshing. I'm not sure why you have a problem with someone from Germany (or from any other country) contributing to this thread.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2017 at 04:40
Why is someone from Deutschland so hung up on US politics? Don't you guys have your own sh*t happening? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 18:19
I’ve been trolling the news outlets concerning Trump’s new immigrant ban from today, which in its present form is just as inhumane and huge as his first effort. The phrase: "polishing a turd" springs to mind.

I’ve discovered a frightening thing: there is hardly any adverse reaction to it any more.

There is some form of appalling lethargy spreading, which is not surprising, considering the workload of confusing and confused news that the White House is shoveling out on a daily basis like a giant popcorn machine of mental crap. Concerning this latest development, this exhaustion couldn’t be happening at a worse moment. The most I seem to be reading is tiredly worded headlines which seem almost fatalistic all of a sudden.

If this is a tactic, then it’s working. But this is not the moment to just lean back and let it all happen, although at this moment it looks as if that’s exactly what’s taking place.This new horrific executive order is being buried by those asinine tweets concerning the alleged Obama wire-tapping. Where’s the sense of perspective? The original outrage seems to have burnt itself out.

It seems to me that whenever Steve Bannon needs a distraction, all he hast to do is say: "Hey Don, tweet something!". The result is inevitably so mind boggingly idiotic that it serves his purpose well.

I don’t think it’ll be long now before those that continue to be vigilant will be perceived as the villains of the peace by the general public. That’s understandable; there’s only so much strain anyone can take.

Just bad news for the immigrants. Sh*t happens.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 17:49
Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

It's a serious accusation to make on a former president, and what I find unsettling is how Trump can casually use Twitter as a means of bringing the issue (if real) out.. I would think that any reasonable person would issue an investigation and make formal charges made if this were the case, not just Tweet to the world on Saturday morning before hitting some golf balls.

Can you imagine Trump tweeting "Just found out Russians ramping up nukes. Putin a bad (or sick) man! #counterstrike"?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 16:49
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

It's not really a matter of whether Trump Towers was.under observation, from what you say I gather that if it was, it was legal.
The point of the matter is the accusation that the surveillance was directly ordered by Obama.

Which is unlikely as Obama is smarter than that.   But Eric Holder, though just as smart, may've felt compelled to do so and keep the Prez out of it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 15:49
Comb over tweet, let's play golf.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 15:19
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The tweeting has to stop.   It will be his down fall.

So, what's the problem? Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 14:26
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The tweeting has to stop.   It will be his down fall.

So, what's the problem? Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 11:26
I can imagine that Twitter is the only way of communications open to him to express himself. If he tried putting his rants through excepted the traditionally channels, everyone would be on him like a pile of bricks Bruce-Lee-style before anything could actually go out.

In a way it's probably a good thing, because it gives the public a chance to see what is actually going through what passes as his mind before it can be distorted into sense by any advisors.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 10:21
It's a serious accusation to make on a former president, and what I find unsettling is how Trump can casually use Twitter as a means of bringing the issue (if real) out. I would think that any reasonable person would issue an investigation and make formal charges made if this were the case, not just Tweet to the world on Saturday morning before hitting some golf balls.

Can you imagine Trump tweeting "Just found out Russians ramping up nukes. Putin a bad (or sick) man! #counterstrike"?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 08:24
It's not really a matter of whether Trump Towers was.under observation, from what you say I gather that if it was, it was legal.
The point of the matter is the accusation that the surveillance was directly ordered by Obama.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 08:02
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

Because there's a difference between wire-tapping civilians and surveillance of a foreign embassy?

I agree there's a difference, however the FBI twice requested a FISA wire tap on Trump Towers. And the second wire tap request was granted.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-wiretap-trump-tower-media-claims-provides-no-evidence/

"Contrary to earlier reporting in the New York Times, which cited FBI sources as saying that the agency did not believe that the private server in Donald Trump’s Trump Tower which was connected to a Russian bank had any nefarious purpose, the FBI’s counter-intelligence arm, sources say, re-drew an earlier FISA court request […].

The original FISA request which specifically named and broadly targeted Donald Trump was denied, a second request was redrafted months later which narrowed down on equipment in Trump Tower. The second request is said to have been granted, despite the fact that FBI sources did not believe these servers to be of actual national security or possess any illegal ties to Russia. The notion that this second FISA warrant was granted is highly significant as they exist to investigate cases when Foreign Intelligence is suspected of operations in the US."


Meanwhile, Two days ago-  http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/322348-top-obama-adviser-to-trump-no-president-can-order-a-wiretap

"A former policy adviser to President Obama is firing back at President Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower, saying it didn't happen — at least not under Obama's orders.

"No President can order a wiretap. Those restrictions were put in place to protect citizens from people like you," Ben Rhodes tweeted Saturday morning.

He also said "only a liar" could make the case, as Trump suggested, that Obama wire tapped Trump Tower ahead of the election."

According to Federal law, it would seem Ben Rhodes is wrong-

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-04/obama-advisor-rhodes-wrong-president-can-order-wiretap-and-why-trump-may-have-last-l

It would appear, however, that Rhodes is wrong, especially as pertains to matters of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance, and its associated FISA court, under which the alleged wiretap of Donald Trump would have been granted, as it pertained specifically to Trump's alleged illicit interactions with Russian entities.

"In Chapter 36 of Title 50 of the US Code *War and National Defense", Subchapter 1, Section 1802, we read the following:

(1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that—

(A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at—
(i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or
(ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title;

(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and

(C) the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801(h) of this title; and
if the Attorney General reports such minimization procedures and any changes thereto to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence at least thirty days prior to their effective date, unless the Attorney General determines immediate action is required and notifies the committees immediately of such minimization procedures and the reason for their becoming effective immediately.

While (B) seems to contradict the underlying permissive nature of Section 1802 as it involves a United States person, what the Snowden affair has demonstrated all too clearly, is how frequently the NSA and FISA court would make US citizens collateral damage. To be sure, many pointed out the fact that Fox News correspondent James Rosen was notoriously wiretapped in 2013 when the DOJ was investigating government leaks. The Associated Press was also infamously wiretapped in relation to the same investigation. "





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 07:48
Because there's a difference between wire-tapping civilians and surveillance of a foreign embassy?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 06:14
I'm cool with this thread moving to JFF. 

Will someone explain this one to me.   How does the FBI know General Flynn had a phone conversations with the Russians if they didn't wiretap?   And if  the Russians were wiretapping Flynn and Trump, and if Trump is pro- Russia, then why would the Russians throw Trump under the bus?  

These following articles attempt to explain some of my questions.   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.2d593904079c

"The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said.

The calls were picked up as part of routine electronic surveillance of Russian officials and agents in the United States, which is one of the FBI’s responsibilities, according to the U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss counterintelligence operations."

If the FBI didn't find any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government then why did the FBI leak the information?

Then today-

"FBI director James Comey asked Justice Department to refute Trump's wiretapping claims,"

https://gma.yahoo.com/fbi-director-james-comey-asked-justice-department-refute-000254897--abc-news-topstories.html#

So, in January the FBI claims to have wiretapped the Flynn's conversations but in March the FBI asks Justice Dept to refute the wiretapping story.

Then there is this...

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/05/former-dni-james-clapper-i-can-deny-wiretap-of-trump-tower.html

"When Todd asked him whether he could confirm or deny if a FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Act) order for this existed, Clapper declared, "I can deny it."

Asked again whether there was a FISA Court order to monitor Trump Tower, Clapper said, "Not to my knowledge."

Clapper said that if any wiretap like that occurred, he would "certainly hope" that he would be aware of it.

"I can't speak for other authorized entities in the government or a state or local entity," he added."

Later from today's same article-

"Clapper was also asked on "Meet the Press" if he had any evidence that the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russian government while the Kremlin was working to influence the election.

"Not to my knowledge," Clapper said, based on the information he had before his time in the position ended.

"We did not include anything in our report … that had any reflect of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was no evidence of that included in our report," he said. "We had no evidence of such collusion."

When asked whether he still believes that Russians interfered in the U.S. election to help Donald Trump, Clapper said, "Yes, I do."

So, today the FBI and Clapper, both say they didn't wire tap.  The former Director of National Intelligence-Clapper said he has no knowledge of court orders from FISA to wire tap Trump.  The FBI and Clapper both say,  there is no evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians.  

 









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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 04:36
I wonder what the aliens think about all this nonsense. Maybe they will just say that there is just no more hope and annihilate us. Canada is just as much of a joke. Canadians think that they're a bunch of goody two shoes. but we're just as messed up as the States. If Trump wanted to take us out he could do it with just one aircraft carrier which possesses about double the firepower of our entire military. So our little kid Prime Minister is laying low. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2017 at 02:31

A few thoughts on this wire-tapping claim:

1) It would be pretty ridiculous to assume that Trump's lines weren't tapped; of course they were. Just like everyone else's, all over the world, wherever possible. Wasn't there an NSA scandal about just this sort of thing just a very short while ago? Or has that been forgotten yet? The only daft thing is of Trump suggesting he's been singled out specifically by Obama. Otherwise, in this case he just might be proved right (this time). But he's just one of millions. If they have no problem tapping Angela Merkel and other European heads of state, why should tapping Trump present a moral dilemma?

2) Why has specifically the FBI got its knickers in a twist about this? His tweets didn't mention the FBI at all. So why, of all the security agencies possibly involved, should they react as if they'd been stung? Very suspicious, I find, and a sign that there does seem to be something more going on here that meets the eye, at least concerning the FBI.

3) The security services must be going up the wall at the moment. Just when the NSA scandal has almost been forgotten, Trump has to stir the pot again.

4) The FBI is demanding a retraction. Don't they know that Trump never retracts anything? Such a demand will most likely be countered with an attempt to discredit them as the harbingers of fake news, unreliable, bad, and possible even an enemy of the people.

5) This level of accusation is ideal. It can be spun out endlessly by the Trump administration and produced whenever a situation demands it (and there will be plenty!). Ultimately it will degenerate into an endless spiral of “yes-you-dids” and “no-I-didn’ts”, resulting in a very appropriate kindergarten level of debate.

This is gonna be fun. I just hope that in this new sh*t storm nobody forgets about Jeff Sessions, the Russian connections, and Steve Bannon. Oh wait! Could this be a distraction? If so, you've just got to admire the light-footed delicacy of the operation.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2017 at 22:23
I told people Trump's a narcissist, and many Trump voters just kind of shrug. But it should be clear, now if it wasn't clear before, that it's not simply a narcissistic personality he has, it's a narcissistic disorder. He is so threatened by any challenges made against him that he just can't keep himself from doing tit for tat, even if he has to manufacture his counter response out of thin air. He just expects that his own importance will serve as all the evidence needed.

Unfortunately out and out falsehoods have worked with his base up to this point. We'll see what happens with this latest unsubstantiated claim. What does it say about the mentality of his voters that they so readily enable someone with a narcissistic personality disorder?





Edited by HackettFan - March 05 2017 at 22:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2017 at 02:58
All the same though, while Trump is strutting around like 10 pounds of sh*t in a 5 pound bag, having another one of his attacks, I can't help wondering what Steve Bannon is up to while everyone is distracted.

It's like trying to keep tabs on a goddamn escaping flea circus.


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