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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Yes, THE Dio!!! Didn't know about this old practice though I can well imagine especially if old days mean the pre-mic years. Makes sense if she kind of invoked it since she does have that folk influence in her singing.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Many old British folk clubs in the late 50's and very early 60's were not more the size of a tiny pub and did not need mics when the artists sang unaccompanied. The bigger ones obvioudly did.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Yeah, in fact if the guitars aren't amped up, a good singer wouldn't need a mic to just sing over guitar or piano (just like classical singers, in essence). The mic comes into the picture because the singer has to keep up with all the amplification around him/her.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Exactly. As soon as the folk singer/guitarist boom came in soon after and the venues got much bigger, mics were a necessity.
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LTocher ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: January 22 2017 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 12 |
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I somehow hadn't heard of this band in my prog adventures until I stumbled upon Scheherazade in an old record store... was kinda hooked instantly by the piano playing, and then managed t find most of their albums over the next few weeks for really cheap on vinyl. Superb band that I feel not enough people seem to know about
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9070 |
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yes they played in Feb 1977, and I'm pretty sure at least once before that, but I only saw the Feb 77 show. That was the one where we had to wait in frigid (like -20C) temperatures for an eternity to get into the hall. The band claimed there was a truck blocking their way into the hall, then proceeded to play for barely an hour, including virtually everything from Novella!. I didn't know them well then, and I don't think the Novella material was easy for new fans. I also didn't like the vocalise at that time, too young perhaps! So I gave the band not another thought until I heard "Opening Out" on the radio about a year later, and became smitten for good. Yes I saw them on the Camera Camera tour in Ottawa, which was a great show They came back the next year to promote Time Line but I didn't go, not sure why, but might have had to do with the budget of a student! |
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9070 |
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nothing charted in UK until A Song for all Seasons, and that only because of Northern Lights. Unfortunately, that hit did not significantly increase the band's name recognition, even though it was top 10. I suspect many who bought the album in the UK were new to the band, while almost everyone who bought ASFAS in the US were old fans! While Azure D'Or did scrape the bottom of the top 75, it was a flop everywhere
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Ken and I have often talked about Song for All Seasons, wondering why it doesn't get more love. Well, one problem is the production. I am listening to Ashes are Burning and Turn of the Cards on a good sound system today and the production is just beautiful. Remember there is also a nostalgia element associated with listening to 70s prog TODAY. Ashes/Cards just have that classic sound which evokes the 70s that most progheads would like to remember. Song for All Seasons is crisp and punchy compared to their preceding albums but also has a commercial gloss which I guess turns off some people.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Just putting it out here, the DVD/CD package containing all of Ren's performances for BBC, including video of the Sight & Sound concert, is finally available.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Agreed on both counts. Yeah, I find I can't really hear the drums on the title track. It's as if the sound is too trebly or something. I don't remember who produced Novella but it doesn't have this problem. Yeah, this kind of production was great for Northern Lights.
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9070 |
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I think it was a bold move all around that, for me, really worked, especially when comparing it to what the prog giants were doing in 1978. Did it sow the seeds of their demise ultimately? Perhaps. I feel the production largely worked on ASFAS but flopped on Azure D'Or, but perhaps that was more because the compositions and arrangements on AD were IMO awful.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Azure D'or was definitely a "dryer" album and the lack of orchestral accompaniment on songs like the "Floyd at Lyon" really made the album pale in comparison to ASFAS. It was not the band's finest hour on many levels.
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^Oh, come off it. You probably sing Only Angels Have Wings in the shower.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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No, but I have heard it once while having a nightmare! My God, an absolutely dreadful song.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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It was all round flat. I think they were tired and needed a break. They got it soon thereafter but probably not the kind of break they appreciated. It's amazing how these bands used to churn out album after album and also toured like mad. Nobody does that anymore. I mean, the industry scenario is very different today but already by the noughties (pre-meltdown), the gap between albums had increased on average. I have seen a couple of Ren's tour programs from the 70s. Something like 23 dates in a single month. Iron Maiden were still touring like that even in 2007/08 thereabouts. 'Off topic': Listening to Grandine Il Vinto off the Union Chapel concert DVD and Annie sings way better here than on the studio recording, which is positively weird (but has happened before). The chorus is strong, not at all shaky and hesitating like it sounded on the recording (at least to me it did).
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9070 |
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I barely noticed the song "Grandine Il Vento" until I saw Renaissance live in maybe 2013 or 2014, when the performance blew me away. It's a song made for the current Annie, and it really comes alive in the concert hall
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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I got through Symphony of Light and Mystic as well and on these tracks too her singing is stellar. It's a cliche anyway, but like on Mystic she doesn't slide her voice into that last big high note (a whopping D6 IIRC) and takes it flush with astounding power. You can see from the audience reaction that they too really loved it and kept clapping for a long time.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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I just broke down and ordered "Union Chapel". I've put it off for too long. Perhaps I needed a break from the group after Michael Dunford passed away.
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