The American Politics Thread

and they still vote David...  I still can't wrap my head around the fact we actually elected him. Or more to the point, there were millions that thought a ... takes a breath.. misogynist, race baiting, hypocritical, lyiing sack of sh*t .. who also.. *takes another breath* who had NO political experience and had the matching temperment to disqualify him from being a wise choice to be elected city dog catcher... who... *takes a deeper breath* had very serious UNANSWERED questions about his ties to Russia would be a wise choice for President.

oh yeah.. quote of the day

“YO, REPORTERS … THIS ISN’T ABOUT YOU. Just do your job. That’s our message to journalists covering Donald Trump. Don’t get sucked in or suckered in to the ‘media is ruining our lives’ bs. Don’t apologize and don’t back down. Be immensely proud of what you do because, in the end, it will most likely be your work that saves this nation.”

for all my vitriol though.. I really thought he'd be smarter than he's shown himself to be.  There were many that wondered outloud if he would even make to to the end of his singular 4 year term. I thought originally that was a bit out there. Wishful thinking.  Now I'm not so sure.. the heat is really being turned up on Congress.  If there were ties to Russian intelligence.. they'll have NO choice but to get rid of him.  what a spectacle already.. thanks Trump voter.


Edited by micky - February 24 2017 at 17:13

honest?  Explain that one to me my friend?  Tell it as it is Trump who tells those what they want to hear, making up facts as they suit them, denying facts as alt-facts when they don't conform to what he was selling.. and sold to his voters.

Anyhow.. on a lighter front.  We did start an office pool today.  50 dollar entries.  I put down  3 May 2018.. when Mike Pence takes over the Presidency.  The reason... those leaks will get him.   Someone in the IRS leaks his returns.. and we find out just what he was hiding. Russian money.. a sh*t load. That is my prediction!

*shakes head* Nixon, Dubya, Trump...  who'd have thought Nixon would come out on top of that list

The Dark Elf wrote: Atavachron wrote: There are people who still think Richard Nixon was a good president. To show you the difference between then and now (and I am certainly no Nixonian), the Environmental Protection Agency was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order. That's right, Nixon. With an executive order no less. Now Trump wants to end the EPA.

Do you believe Nixon genuinely supported a real, toothsome EPA?   Dick Nixon?--  Mr. Big Oil, PepsiCola, Banking attorney?   Somehow I smell a rodent ... but it was Tricky Dick, after all.

yep...Make America Great Again... eliminate those pesky regulations stifling business and industry..  we do want our rivers to burn again!!!

Atavachron wrote: micky wrote: honest?  Explain that one to me my friend?  Tell it as it is Trump who tells those what they want to hear, making up facts as they suit them, denying facts as alt-facts when they don't conform to what he was selling.. and sold to his voters. Oh he's honest; I never thought I'd hear a Repub refer to the CIA as 'fascists'.   But now that he has, it's not so funny or gratifying.   Who'd have thought we'd have the spy community on our side.

Calling Trump honest is equivalent to saying that 'at least the Russian olympics team has some impressive stamina'. His intonation is honest but he's not actually coming out with any facts or even opinions he's actually come up himself and aren't just more bs whispered into his ears by Bannon and the gang.

Tillerman88 wrote: rogerthat wrote: Sorry to interject here but why are we recollecting the importance of free speech now?  Because I have heard a few times on here and generally on the internet that "freedom of expression is not important", said to defend the political correctness doctrine, obviously.     No, obviously TODAY''S political correctness doctrine, not that in the time when you still could breath some honesty in politics........not yet plagued with hypocritical doctrines.

micky wrote: seems to me you answered your own question While one can be melodramatic and compare where we are at now in this country to Germany of the 30's, even though there are significant differences, it doesn't take much brain power and obviously a working knowledge of history and politics to recognize the fact there are even parallels (and some strong ones at that) to be drawn between the two should be warning signs to any thoughtful American that we should be worried about where we are and still might go.

Edited by rogerthat - February 25 2017 at 06:47

rogerthat wrote: Tillerman88 wrote: rogerthat wrote: Sorry to interject here but why are we recollecting the importance of free speech now?  Because I have heard a few times on here and generally on the internet that "freedom of expression is not important", said to defend the political correctness doctrine, obviously.     No, obviously TODAY''S political correctness doctrine, not that in the time when you still could breath some honesty in politics........not yet plagued with hypocritical doctrines. Yes, I did mean the wave of political correctness that's grown in the last few years.  It has extracted a heavy price - that of possibly democracy itself.

micky wrote: rogerthat wrote: micky wrote: seems to me you answered your own question While one can be melodramatic and compare where we are at now in this country to Germany of the 30's, even though there are significant differences, it doesn't take much brain power and obviously a working knowledge of history and politics to recognize the fact there are even parallels (and some strong ones at that) to be drawn between the two should be warning signs to any thoughtful American that we should be worried about where we are and still might go. To be clear, I meant that accepting the argument that free speech can be stifled for an ostensibly good cause (under the garb of free speech being dangerous in that context) is dangerous because it can open the door for dangerous characters to appropriate the same stance for their purposes.  Never thought I'd see the day that a mainstream news channel is blocked out of White House press briefings in USA.  Since my knowledge of US history is pretty deficient...is this a first or are people being too alarmist?  At any rate, the Statue of Liberty's got to be shedding copious tears right now. No doubt man.. uncharted water we are in here.  No is not necessarily a first, but a second, but we all know how the Nixon Presidency went down. The greatest threat to the notions of democracy and the Constitution this country had ever seen, and here we are in 2017 back at the same place. So no, people are not being too alarmist.  The very foundations of democracy and constitutional power are at play.  In less than two months Trump has gone to war with the Judiciary, the primary constitutional watchdog of executive power, and of course the press the primary unofficial watchdog of executive power. Why?  Let Americans answer that for themselves. America is due a great deal of soul searching.. and none more than Trump voters. For they are to blame for this.  How quickly they forgot the lesson of the past, and ignored the obvious warning signs SO on display last year during the campaign that this guy was dangerous, had some serious issues.. mentally and ethically. Seriously..  he didn't release his tax returns. Did Trump voters ask themselves once.. even once.. why? What he was hiding?