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Tapfret 
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Just listened to that Island album for the first time on y'alltube. Fantastic music. It's complex, but carries way more groove than I expected. The drums are so insanely subtle in their complexity. But damned if it no longer is in domestic print. Have to spring big to get a copy.
Re: Metal complexity. I understand why you would be on the fence. But I think similar issues exist when including RIO/Avant bands in terms of technical play vs structural complexity vs performer interplay. Really, it speaks to the point that "accessibility" is a highly subjective...check that....abstract concept. It is, I suppose, by definition a constantly moving target. That being said. 1. Behold...the Arctopus. Holds a special place amongst PA's wallofsoundophobes. 2. Dysrhythmia. Became decidedly less accessible when the above's Colin Marsten joined the band. 3. Electro Quarterstaff |
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Yeah, i love that Island album. I had to wait a while until i could find a copy at a decent price. By all means get the CD with the bonus track. It is as good as the rest of the album. Yes, accessibtility is definately subjective and i'm looking for THE most adventurous prog albums for this list. The ones that even seasoned proggers have to slowly digest to understand so that would mean that i want albums that take ALL the features of prog and inject them with steroids including time signatures, dissonance, fusion aspects, elements of choas and total surprise. Yes, Behold...the Arctopus definately qualifies as does Psyopus who i just added. Dysrhythmia is a contender. I'll have to listen to them again. It's been a while. Never heard Electro Quarterstaff. Colin Marsten has a totally whacked out album under the name Glyptoglossia you should check out as well. Beyond bizarre!
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Yeah! 5UUs is definately what i'm after. Ironically i just got the U Totem albums and 5UUs was very much on my radar to check out because i never have. Great choice. Whoever mentioned Birds And Buildings was right on the money too. That is some whacked out complexity as well
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Yeah, thought you'd like it. Pretty
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Tapfret
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For Dysrhythmia, Barriers and Passages and later.
And I will definitely check it Glyptoglossia. He seems to be a pretty eclectic artist. I have Byla which is kind of ambient/trance and Infidel!/Castro which is ....I can't even describe. Not complex, but not accessible either. |
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Thanks but they're actually not in any particular order. Having said that Tales by Yes should probably be down further
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Just added videos to the list as to make experiencing easier :)
 IslandPictures (1977)This crazy Swiss band created one of the weirdest prog workouts mostly based in the symphonic side of the genre. They released this one little gem of complexity "Pictures" that even after several decades rarely gets the respect it deserves simply because it is literally as alienating as the album cover suggests but well worth the effort if unrelenting prog rock workouts is what you crave. Yes, that is indeed an H.R. Giger painting on ISLAND's sole release 2  Jethro TullA Passion Play (1973)Hot on the heels of the much more accessible "Thick As A Brick,"JETHRO TULL released their own prog folk rock answer to Yes' excesses heard in "Tales From Topographic Oceans." Upon first listen a seemingly random and chaotic rotisserie of gibberish and overweening pomp, but after well over a decade of letting this sink in has revealed itself to be a top dog of concept albums with so many elements stuffed into that it needs a period table of elements just to help the listener navigate. Like Rodney Dangerfield, still waiting to get the respect it deserves but history will surely prove it to be JT's most ambitious effort ever 3  YesRelayer (1974)Although Relayer was much more accepted by fans after the divisive "Tales From Topographic Oceans" doesn't mean it was any less complex, dense and layered. In fact i would argue it's even more so but somehow managed to channel and refine all the elements that take the limits of progressive rock and creatively invent newly founded hooks that yielded perfect compositions. The peak of YES' creative prowess can be heard on this album and then they would slowly slip into more commercial endeavors 4  GnidrologIn Spite of Harry's Toe-Nail (1972)The Goldring brothers were always adventure seekers and when they finally released their debut album "In Spite Of Harry's Toe-Nail" even aficianados of the then burgeoning prog rock scene were thrown off by the sheer audacity and musical mangling heard on this album. While clearly steeped in the folk music that initiated their musical endeavors, GNIDROLOG took hitherto unheard liberties in aggregating some of the most labyrinthine and circuitous polyrhythmic melodies that have never truly been matched. This one requires a great many spins to sink in but has emerged as one of my all time favorites albums that even makes my desert isle list 5  PoiLBrossaklitt (2014)A sonic celebration of spastic punk energy infused with psychedelic lysergic freakouts and childish Zappesque avant-prog that engulfs a near hour long of absolutely unrelenting craziness. Harsh and insulting to the ears like a Ruins album on steroids, France's PoiL delivers for the adventurous music lover who relishes in doing somersaults on roller coasters 6  YūgenDeath by Water (2016)YUGEN's whole mission as a band was to create the most complex music possible and on "Death By Water" they succeed in creating a blissful sonic compound of tortured polyrhythms that play together like swirling electrons around an atom. While their other albums were steeped in complexity, this one takes it to new heights and also achieves an avant-prog yumminess that even manages to create a melodic underpinning to the mondo bizarro maelstrom of sounds 7  MarsupilamiMarsupilami (1970)Nipping on the heals of King Crimson, MARSUPILAMI, also from the fertile British scene of the late 60s unleashed the most complex album of 1970 with an album filled with jaw-dropping complexiites such as incessant time signature and dynamic orgies of sound that change from rock to folk and beyond at a drop of the hat. While melodic passages are abound, they are steeped in dissonance, off-kilter jazz infused chord changes and sudden abrupt surprises that create most unorthodox compositional liberties that make this one of the most creative albums of all time 8  MarsupilamiArena (1971)While some bands release one album of craziness and then calm down in hopes of more commerical exposure, MARSUPALAMI went the opposite direction by taking all of their bizarre and unique progressive rock complexity on "Arena" and added a concept story involving ancient Rome to the mix thus releasing the second and last album of their career. I'm still trying to figure out which one i love more 9  UnexpectIn a Flesh Aquarium (2006)While starting out as a rather avant-garde death metal meets classical music band, the dam of creativity burst wide open for their third release "In A Flesh Aquarium" which adopted the Mr Bungle approach and took it to disturbing new levels of craziness. While many bands have mastered the fine art of alternating musical genres in their compositions, UNEXPECT took disparate genres such as Western classical, dark cabaret, opera, jazz, funk, electronica, ambient, noise rock, circus music and gypsy swing and threw them all into a blender which when augmented by the beauty and beast vocal approach yielded THE most bizarre album in all of the metal universe. This one requires a ridiculous amount of listens to sink in but has a high pay off and has also become a candidate for the desert isle list 10  GorgutsObscura (1998)This little gem is fairly popular these days for its unique tortuous and twisted take on death metal. Emerging on the tail end of the 90s after the golden age of extreme metal, GORGUTS departed from their fairly generic take on the death metal world after two albums and took the world by storm with their mangled technical wizardry on "Obscura" which has become the cornerstone of tech death metal influence for the 21st century. Despite having heard this for a while now, i still have no idea how it sounds until i put it on as the compositions are as atypical and non-traditional as is possible but somehow has hidden elements that create some sort of patterns of recognition that keep the listening experience a constant guessing game 11  Deathspell OmegaFas Ite, maledicti, in ignem aeternum (2007)DEATHSPELL OMEGA from France single handedly gave a much needed injection of creativity to the stagnating black metal scene in 2007 with their classic "Fas - Ite, Malecticti, In Ignem Aeternum." While firmly planted in the the black metal world thematically and instrumentally speaking, this mysterious band catapulted itself above the pack by creating one of the most bizarre and experimental black metal albums ever. The compositional structures are far beyond the simplicity of the previous decade as is the metaphysical nature of the lyrical content. Truly a major leap in complexity in this metal arena where not only black metal is given a much needed boost of energy but DEATHSPELL OMEGA proves they can traverse throughout the entire extreme metal universe and stitch it together without effort 12  Kayo DotDowsing Anemone With Copper Tongue (2006)While most cite "Choirs Of The Eye" as their favorite KAYO DOT album, i'm quite partial to the second release "Dowsing Anemone With Copper Tongue" which musically is as convulated and impenetrable as the title and cover art suggest. Based on a tortuous assault of jangly guitar distortions with unthinkably complex jazz based chords and time signature assaults, this album also has lush chamber rock meets post-rock passages that flow like ethers in the eye of the hurricane that emerge around it. I honestly don't know why i love this one but once i put it on i'm mesmerized as it suspends every expectation of what music should be 13  Yezda UrfaBoris (1975)One of the more accessible acts on this list is YEZDA URFA that takes hummable melodies and twists them and infuses them with virtuosic workouts on "Boris" that are so intense that some of the instruments must have surely melted during the recording of this album which was actually only supposed to be a demo to begin with. While somewhat easy to grasp upon first listen, subsequent listens to the details will awe with dizzying and daring sonic assaults that display a juggling of many facets of music simultaneously 14  Il Balletto di BronzoYs (1972)One of Italy's most eccentric bands in the boom of RPI (Rock Progressivo Italiano). While most bands were going down a similar symphonic path laid out by PFM and Banco, some bands like the Naples natives IL BALLETTO DI BRONZO were much more daring and creative in how they approached their craft. Their triumphant album "Ys" is chock full of progressive workouts with huge swaths of purely experimental and alienating passages along the way with some of the most energetic and frenetic musical displays of any album of the early 70s 15  Moving Gelatine PlatesThe World of Genius Hans (1972)One of the scant non-English followers of the UK's Canterbury Scene came from France's MOVING GELATINE PLATES that took all the zany whimsy and jazz-rock fusion workouts found from the likes of Soft Machine and Caravan and infused it all with a healthy dose of extreme musical acrobatics and insanity which resulted in the OMG offering "The World Of Genius Hans". The musicianship is off the chart as the band navigates some of the bizarro mondo musical terrain that results in ridiculously complex but satisfying compositions that took the experimental rock scene to some of the most ambitious offerings that have ever been recorded 16  BucketheadTeeter Slaughter (2014)One of many totally "out there" examples in the BUCKETHEAD Pike series. "Teeter Slaughter" is one of my absolute favorites as the chicken lover meanders through his own musical universe and in the process offers the energy of thrash metal, the compositional complexity of avant-garde jazz all decorated with the most bizarre sprinklings that experimental rock has to offer. This all instrumental album is guaranteed to take you somewhere you never knew existed and is the perfect album to prove to anyone that Buckethead is more than funk rock and cheesy lullaby music. This is his most adventuous stuff he has to offer 17  AreaCaution Radiation Area (1974)Italy's most left-leaning and unapologetic avant-jazz-fusionists AREA managed to add catchy melodies to the majority of their albums with lots of influences from the Balkans in the way of gypsy music, but on "Caution Radiation Area" the band created a bizarre concept album which begins much like their other albums but incrementally becomes more disjointed and breaks down altogether as chaos at the end which i have always taken as representing the effects of radition on the human body or other biological systems 18  DimeslandPsychogenic Atrophy (2014)DIMESLAND takes the extreme metal thing to new worlds. With a title like "Psychogenic Atrophy" which sort of means the failing and weakening of mental and emotional processes, it is apparent that this music is meant to assault the senses and slay any expectations of preordained compositions and take the listener on a startling and often frightening audio journey. While this isn't one that i've gravitated towards often, there is no doubt that it delivers some of the most complex prog metal there is to be heard with everything from extreme time signature and tempo changes to complete breakdown in any structure. Although i HATE the album cover i have to admit this is a good candidate for some of the most extreme and proggy metal since Gorguts' Obscura (that i've heard) 19  Mr. BungleDisco Volante (1995)MR BUNGLE proved on their first album they could be as eclectic as any 70s prog rock artist but it wasn't until their second album "Disco Volante" that they really let their freak flag fly. This album is the perfect concocted infusion of everything from blues, jazz, death metal, ambient, funk to ample amounts of prog and ethnic influences combining to create an album like no other. Despite the everything but the kitchen sink approach MR BUNGLE manage to create the perfect balance of accessible catchy melodic segments with jarring and psychologically damaging assaults. One of my favorite albums of all time 20  KracqCircumvision (1978)KRACQ is a bit of an obscurity of crazy prog from the Netherlands and released their sole album "Circumvision" in 1978. The albums comes off more as two EPs rather than a cohesive whole but is quite the adventuous album in both regards. The first side is an array of complex symphonically based rock craziness taking extreme liberties with both time signature changes and tempo. The second half is somewhat more mainstream with synthesized vocal parts but as a whole this is one weird album that may not reach the heights of complexity as other albums on this list but is just bizarre enough and relentless at times for me to include it 21  PentwaterOut of the Abyss (1992)What was supposed to be their second release in the 70s didn't actually find a release date until 1992. Pentwater was one of the most creative bands to come out of the less fertile prog scene of the USA. With an energetic symphonic approach of Keith Emerson along with crazy roller coaster prog workouts and strange off-kilter melodies, this is the stuff brutal prog dreams are made of. This unapologetically maelstrom of sound meanders all over the musical map with outstanding musical cohesion and pleasant high resister vocals that always have just enough hook to keep the listener engaged in familiarity but then once hooked takes a completely different journey altogether 22  Satanique Samba TrioSangrou (2007)This Brazilian band sounds like no other and takes the bizarre world of avant-jazz and marries it with samba and rock. The result is some of the strangest music i've ever heard with all the attributes of both jazz and prog rock happily dancing side by side with the cheerful edge of samba keeping it from teetering into darkness. Really must be experienced to be comprehended. SATANIQUE SAMBA TRIO definately hit on something with their debut "Sangrou" 23  Univers zéroHérésie (1979)No one has ever made a chamber rock album more haunting and freaky than UNIVERS ZÉRO did with their second album "Hérésie". This bizarre album ratchets up the emotional dread and creepiness completely over the top for its near one hour run. With an instrumental 13 minute plus track dedicated to Jack The Ripper, you know this isn't suitable for a Disney film. This is pure horror flick soundtrack music which is made even more so by the complexities involved in the compositions 24  Art Zoyd 3Symphonie pour le jour oů brűleront les cités (1976)ART ZOYD was one of the first to take chamber rock and marry it with complex progressive rock to create some of the most bizarre music ever laid down to tape. While very much steeped in free jazz and classical music, "Symphonie Pour Le Jour Oů Brűleront Les Cités" also has healthy doses of Zappa inspired avant-prog rock but mostly resides in some parallel experimental plane that mere mortals don't often experience 25  MirthrandirFor You the Old Women (1976)This was an American (United Statesian that is) band that delivered complexity for complexity's sake, MIRTHRANDIR released their sole album "For You The Old Women" in 1976 and disappeared from the music scene but this one album has a whole career's worth of ideas stuffed into every nook and cranny. Much like Pentwater and Yezda Urfa, MIRTHRANDIR was ruthless with complex time signature changes, tempo upheavals and unpredicatable style changes that keep the listener engaged throughout its all too brief run 26  YesTales From Topographic Oceans (1973)The oft loved and more ofter loathed double album extravaganza showing YES take their unique sound to the ultimate heights of prog pomp and grandiosity. While not as impenetrable as other albums on this list because it actually has quite accessilbe segments that basically take their already established sound and sew them together in a long drawn out fashion, it nonetheless qualifies as one of the most multifarious prog behemoths of music history with each of the four tracks swallowing up an entire side of the original vinyl LP. Castigated for having long drawn out segments that meander eternally, it equally provides passages so elaborate and tangled that leave the first time listeners scratching their heads in dismay 27  King CrimsonLizard (1970)After KING CRIMSON helped launch the progressive rock explosion in 1969, they didn't just stop there and only a year later created one of the most complex albums of 1970 with "Lizard". The album cover artwork alone should be on a museum wall for its intricate depiction of the subject matter that is presented in the music itself. While progressive rock itself was still very much a newbie on the music scene, KC was already experimenting with avant-jazz and classical elements while adding ample amounts of art rock and experimental elements. This is one of the KC albums that has taken me the longest to appreciate but once it finally clicked it was as good as gold and probably one i could spend a whole life time trying to figure out and still not figure it all out 28  Henry CowIn Praise of Learning (1975)After a couple albums that sounded more like avant-jazz with a few rock elements behind them, HENRY COW toured with the progressive pop outfit Slapp Happy and hit it off so well that they basically merged into one act under the HC moniker. While one would think that anything involving Slapp Happy would steer the creative juice more towards the accessible side, on "In Praise Of Learning" it steers in the opposite direction. This is some strange otherworldly music here that takes the principles of extreme free jazz and tames it into certain avant-prog patterns of musical creation but are totally unique. In most cases it sounds like all the instruments are playing in different time signatures and augmented by Dagmar's bizarre vocalizations. HENRY COW was truly revolutionary with this kind of stuff and was the obvious influence for all kinds of bands like Thinking Plague and a gazillion others to follow 29  Henry CowWestern Culture (1979)After Slapp Happy dissolved from the brief fusion of bands, HENRY COW released their final magnus opus "Western Culture" which took all the otherworldly aspects of In Praise Of Learning even further minus the vocals which meant more time to explore the strangest and more complex ways of instrument interactions. Fred Frith particularly stands out with his alternative tuning system on his guitar as well as the bombastic in-yer-faith time signature leaps into other dimensions. An extremely demanding album that is almost like a photographic negative in sound of anything else that was going on at the time 30  Captain Beefheart & His Magic BandTrout Mask Replica (1969)Who says there is no such thing as progressive blues rock? Well one listen to CAPTAIN BEEFHEART & HIS MAGIC BAND's bizarre "Trout Mask Replica" will tell you otherwise. While long associated within the Frank Zappa universe, Don Glen Vliet AKA the CAPTAIN was just plain nuts. This album was one of the many surprises of 1969 but has become a cult hit over the years but still remains a challenging and off-the-wall listen. Definately not one that earns an instant ticket to your heart but does cast its spell once experienced enough :) 31  CornucopiaFull Horn (1973)The Hamburg based CORNUCOPIA took Krautrock to new heights with their one and only release "Full Horn" that bascially combined all the disparate strains of Kraut into one lysergic experience. One can hear aspects of Can, Amon Duul II, Popol Vuh and pretty much the rest of the related pack shapeshifting into a bizarre musical experience at the prog peak of 1973 32  Amon Düül IITanz der Lemminge (1971)AMON DÜÜL II went for broke with their third album "Tanz Der Lemminge" where the band reemerged after a series of tragedies and created one of the most bizarre and creative albums of their career. Far beyond the two previous albums, this one takes the listener through a whole spectrum of contemplative and psychedelic experiences which allows the listener to suspend all preconceived notions and fall into a deep hypnotic trance of the band's making. Originally a double vinyl LP, "Tanz" is the perfect gateway to a primieval trance that sums up the Krautrock movement in perfect form 33  U.K.U.K. (1978)One of the few examples where a so-called super group of seasoned musicians put out something totally wild and outlandish without totally abandoning their retrospective sounds that they had accrued throughout their tenure in the various bands they performed with. UK only put out a couple albums in the late 70s but it was their debut that took the rock complexities of King Crimson and married them with Yes like melodies and Genesis inspired symphonics and then added layers of odd time signatures and Roxy Music type giddiness. While in some ways it sounds rather accessible, it is just off in so many ways that it took me the longest time to appreciate and only reveals its secrets after many spins 34  Behold... the ArctopusSkullgrid (2007)A power trio who creates a progressive metal version of avant-prog with dazzling musical antics that defy any expectations of what music is. Daring and bold, it is complex to BEHOLD.... THE ARCTOPUS 35  PsyopusIdeas of Reference (2004)Dizzying mathcore metal guaranteed to give headaches. With little or no song structures whizzing around at the speed of light with frenetic guitar tones and insane asylum electrocution vocals, PSYOPUS unleashes these musical torturous antics on their debut "Ideas Of Reference." This is the epitome of extreme chaotic metal that is the perfect prescription for bugging your parents or anyone else you want to send fleeing from your house. Except me! I love this kinda stuff 36  5uu'sCrisis in Clay (1997)5UU'S delivers some densely frantic avant-prog with unexpected time signatues, rhythmic changes and off-kilter pseudo-melodies. This is the only album i've heard so there may be wilder ones than "Crisis In Clay" but this is a challenging listen for sure! |
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I have a soft spot for BtA, which I originally found by googling the word "unlistenable". When you find a bunch of reviews by "extreme" metal fans p*ssing and moaning about how something is completely impossible to sit through, you know you're onto something  Electro Quarterstaff is just fun  In terms of complex and technical metal my actual pick would probably be Spiral Architect. Their album is often described chaotic, but I actually think it's the opposite - the music is completely and rigorously composed, it's just that one of the compositional principles at play is "everything changes every 10 seconds". Excellent stuff IMO. Edited by Mascodagama - February 09 2017 at 01:27 |
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A great band that deserves mention here is a Japan's Tipographica, a post-Zappa avant fusion group who clearly felt Frank's compositional approach was all too simplistic. Particularly in terms of their rhythmic complexity there is head-spinning stuff going on with these guys - one of their albums is called 'God Says I Can't Dance' for good reasons. Yet somehow they do actually groove. Ex-members of the band went on to form Unbeltipo and Date Course Pentagon Royal Garden, who also aren't known for their nursery tunes.
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Also in the RIO/avant bag, Zs deserve a mention. Most demanding listening of any currently operating group that I know of.
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Tapfret
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Endured my wife's ipad and an itunes load on the laptop to save $25 on that Island album. The deeper I get into it I'm not so certain were it lies on the complexity scale. What is certain is its become a little bit of an obsession. I do however wish I had the lyrics. Gastric Juices.
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I recall finding BtA on MySpace when they went by the name "We need a drummer". Still have the original demo. If we consider Spiral Architect (an album I truly love) then Spastic Ink must be considered as well.
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I agree it's not really hugely complex - but it is deep, completely unique and a little mad, which means it takes a bit of assimilating. And I also had the obsession thing, when I first got the CD it stayed in the machine and I think I listened to it about fifteen times straight. Edited by Mascodagama - February 15 2017 at 06:30 |
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Were they using a drum machine on the demo then? I have never got around to giving Spastic Ink a proper listen. I probably should remedy that. |
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Admit it. You're a hardened progger. Pictures has all kinds of prog weirdness dripping in every corner. It's similar to the UK album. It has enough of a groove to be accessible but is shrouded in strange compositional liberties which make it a hugely challenging album at first. I just listened to it last night. It gets less weird every time i listen to it but when you compare it to bands like Genesis or Porcupine Tree, it is quite complex
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I have that Spiral Architect but have only listened to it a couple times. Will check it out again. Spastic Ink is a possibilitiy but same that i haven't heard them in a while so can't remember how complex they are
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Yes, which did not sound that bad. They were the songs that ultimately became "Alcoholocaust" and "You Will Be Reincarnated As An Imperial Attack Spaceturtle,part 1". But at that time the songs were titled "We need a drummer" and "we still need a drummer". When they finally found a drummer it was it was Charlie Zeleny, who would go on to team up with Ron Jarzombek, of the aforementioned Spastic Ink, on another project worthy of SP's list, Blotted Science. Edited by Tapfret - February 15 2017 at 12:00 |
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After checking out Silly Puppies list, I realized I have 50% of the albums listed. And I like them all. So, I must take the other half for a spin. I avoided Behold...the Arctopus because several bad reviews. Now, I'll have to check that out too. Which Behold...the Arctopus album should I audition first?
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