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    Posted: December 30 2016 at 10:44
He is never mentioned in any posts, does never appear in any drum polls (except if created by me), and hardly anybody knows his name. Yet he is one hell of a drummer and in my personal top five.

Who the heck am I talking about? Christian Burchard, the drummer of Embryo. Here are the links to three live recordings of Embryo from about 1974 to demonstrate what a great drummer he is. The complete line-up is

Christian Burchard - drums
Dieter Miekautsch - keyboards
Roman Bunka - guitar
Uve Müllrich - bass.

Listen and appreciate their playing.


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You're not alone! Big smile I also think Burchard is an amazing drummer. His groovy drumming on "Entrances" from Rocksession is out of this world.
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I think all the folks that passed through Embryo are fantastic musicians.
The thing is, most of them are 'unknown' really, and those that are familiar with them do appreciate them.
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I feel the same about Jaki Liebezeit, he is the main reason for my stronger growing love of Can.
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Points: 10266 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2016 at 14:45
But Jaki is widely appreciated. Christian is not.


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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I think all the folks that passed through Embryo are fantastic musicians.
The thing is, most of them are 'unknown' really, and those that are familiar with them do appreciate them.

this rings true to me.
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Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I think all the folks that passed through Embryo are fantastic musicians.
The thing is, most of them are 'unknown' really, and those that are familiar with them do appreciate them.


this rings true to me.

And I also feel the same.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I think all the folks that passed through Embryo are fantastic musicians.
The thing is, most of them are 'unknown' really, and those that are familiar with them do appreciate them.

That's true. Just think of Roman Bunka (who is my favourite guitar player) or bass player Dave King.


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Triumvirat's drummer Hans Bathelt is criminally under-rated and appreciated. Another one that never is mentioned in polls, etc. But, boy, he could play!
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I guess that in prog and jazz fusion it's almost a prerequisite for drummers to be high calibre players, so talented rhythm sections are really commonplace. Unfortunately that leads people to become generally apathetic towards some really great technical players, unless they happened to be in popular groups. 

One personal favourite drummer of mine that came to mind that no one talks about is Gonzalo Farrugia (had to look up his name) of Crucis. He really grooves on Los Delirios Del Mariscal.
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I think all the folks that passed through Embryo are fantastic musicians.
The thing is, most of them are 'unknown' really, and those that are familiar with them do appreciate them.

That's true. Just think of Roman Bunka (who is my favourite guitar player) or bass player Dave King.
Having said, I only have 4 LP's of theirs :
Opal
Steig Aus
Rocksession
Bad Heads And Bad Cats
........and I love them all. Especially Rocksession, with Jimmy Jackson.
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Ernest "Boom" Carter - If known at all, it's probably for being the drummer on Bruce Springsteen's "Born to run".
 
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Sticking strictly with prog, a couple choices for me would be:

Pierre van der Linden (Focus)
Barriemore Barlow (Jethro Tull)
Chester Thompson (Frank Zappa & Genesis)
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Hi,

I think that Mani Neumeier deserves to be mentioned here.

When you listen to Guru Guru's albums, all the way to "Dance of the Flames", that drumming is incredible, and he is not just "keeping time", and I once read on an interview, that he joked he did not keep time, that he liked soloing with the guitar player which was more fun. And later, doing some thrash metal, is also rather amazing, considering he knows that he can fly all over and the guitar player, no one knows which planet he is on half the time!
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I usually suggest the late Pierre Moerlen in these types of lists.  He was amazing! 
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Whilst the O.P. is stating that the amazing Christian Burchard, drummer extraordinaire, of the German band Embryo, flies under the radar, many misread the topic and suggest other names. Well, I simply adore the Embryo albums I own (I do need to invest in more) but in my current Metallic state-of-mind - I'm re-discovering what I've missed out on, I'm being brought back to my 80's self, and I'm really loving Anthrax. The most melodic 'Thrash' pioneers from the classic 80's era. I see the usual Drummer names mentioned - Lars Ulrich (very good, not great), Dave Lombardo (fast, intricate and really pushing the drums a few steps further (though I've never been 'sold' on Slayer, not back then, not now.....) and, whilst Megadeth could never keep a band member for too long (thanks Dave), Anthrax (despite their suggestive 'nasty' name) are just brilliant.
Drummer Charlie Benante is superb. That's what happens when you're from New York............
My dream is to catch one of their gigs, in New York. It wouldn't get any better than this. Charlie is the most 'sensible' Thrash drummer there is, yet no-one talks about him.
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Somebody already mentioned Barriemore Barlow, but I like to add Andy Ward, Jan Fride and Mel Pritchard.

Nobody ever names these drummers as their favorite.
 
Also Merv Pepler, Conrad Prince (Rad), Stuart Fischer (Stu), all three of Ozric Tentacles. They can handle the strangest rhythms and tempos.
 
That being said, I really have to listen to Embryo to know what we're talking about here.
I love underappreciated stuff much more than the overappreciated stuff (Yes, Genesis, Rush, etc.)


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IMO one i feel as of today a seriously underrated drummer today is Mick Tucker of the Sweet, whom is known of but regarding how ahead of the game he was in the 70s and the little that is spoken of him on forums like drummerworld, and sites like it. he is probably the most underrated powerhouse drummer -whom plays in a pretty famous band.




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The title of " the most underappreciated" is subjective at best and one persons opinion is no more valid than anyone else's. However, what is certain is this thread should be moved out of the main prog music lounge and into the "Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation" lounge where it belongs.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The title of " the most underappreciated" is subjective at best and one persons opinion is no more valid than anyone else's. However, what is certain is this thread should be moved out of the main prog music lounge and into the "Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation" lounge where it belongs.

Everything is subjective, even this opinion. It is the very nature of any statement we utter.


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