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Kingsnake 
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 Posted: December 29 2016 at 05:40 |
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And what about Kansas, and Kerry Livrgen?
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Jeffro
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 05:07 |
 Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Actually, I have an baffling obsession with the drippiest, lamest Hallmark Christmas TV movies, so I probably need help more than anyone! 
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Good god, my wife watches all of those movies. What amazes me is how many of these movies can be made that have basically the exact same plot. It's always boy meets girl, girl meets boy, Christmas is wonderful, and we all live happily ever after. Sometimes with a slight plot twist but in the end, that's how it works out
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Jeffro
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 05:04 |
I am generally not a fan when anyone feels the need to project their beliefs at me, whether it be through music or otherwise, whether it be politics, religion, or what have you. If that's how you feel, so be it, great! I just don't need to hear about it. I try very hard to live my life not projecting my beliefs on anyone else.
However, it generally doesn't affect me through music because I'm far more interested in the music than the lyrics. The reason I don't care of Spock's Beard's Snow is not because of Morse's religious beliefs, it's because that album just doesn't click with me musically. I find it an extreme let down after V. I haven't listened to much of his solo stuff, or Transatlantic.
For years, Kings X was characterized as a Christian rock band. I never really agreed with that label but it didn't stop me from loving their music.
Edited by Jeffro - December 29 2016 at 10:27
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Kingsnake
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 04:46 |
I remember satanists having a problem with Black Sabbath, because Ozzy cried "oh God, please help me"....
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SteveG
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 04:34 |
For me, it depends on how good the music is and artist's performance. However, overtly preachy lyrics are a turnoff for me. I not a particular fan of Morse's music, but the same held true for me when he was in Spock's Beard. But as just examples, I could listen to Benedicts and Lay Down by the Strawbs anytime, any day.
Edited by SteveG - December 29 2016 at 04:36
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rushfan4
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 04:29 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 04:27 |
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I've no interest in religion, but good music is just good music. Ignore the 'message' and listen to the notes and how the music is composed. Simples.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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npjnpj
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 04:24 |
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That last sentence is a bit fascistic too, isn't it? Sort of a catch 22 thing.
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Kingsnake
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 03:24 |
Dean wrote:
I'd say that Pendragon has some somewhat broad-based spiritual lyrics but I'd not call them christian as such. |
No, agreed. Pete Gee is the christian in the band, but he made an christian solo-album, wich features Pendragon members. This is an excerpt from an interview with Nick. Interesting point of view:
You spoke of Neal Morse and his sudden change of life, I see that Peter Gee also did some work on gospel albums, is it something you discuss? We had a big discussion on our forum on Neal Morse. Most of it was about if you should or should not write lyrics like that or if you should or should not comment on them. I find it really strange, I can't understand people who say "you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that." It is kind of musical nazism, fascism, really I think you should be able to sing pretty much of everything. Music has a very strong spiritual kind of aspect to it, I think. So if someone wants to sing about their Christian believes: let em! I don't see the problem, if people don't like it, don't buy it. Strange thing is that we don't have arguments about lyrics in death metal. Personally I think we have some kind of responsibility to bring some kind of light into this world. I have no problem with Neal Morse doing that, on a personal matter. But even if I didn't: does it matter if someone is singing about going shopping or when their singing about their christian believes. That's part of music isn't it? If you want to have a chairman ruled country, where you can say this or can't write about that go on and live in China. |
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Dean
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 03:18 |
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I'd say that Pendragon has some somewhat broad-based spiritual lyrics but I'd not call them christian as such.
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What?
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Kingsnake
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 02:27 |
Many metalfans loathed Stryper, because of their christian lyrics, although they are one of the best hardrockbands around. Did you know that Pendragon also has christian lyrics. And almost all blues- and Southern rockbands, when I come to think of it.
Why bother? Faith is about spirituality. And music is also about spirituality.
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npjnpj
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 01:50 |
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Firstly and just to clarify: I'm an agnostic. I find Neal Morse's music impressive and luckily I'm able to listen past most lyrics in general.
But when I actually focus on his lyrics, I find them pretty revolting. It doesn't spoil my enjoyment, as long as I can continue to blend them out. In general thoough, this constant god fawning is pretty awful, so in general I could enjoy his music more if he would sing about just about anything else.
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Dean
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 01:41 |
Tapfret wrote:
Are pessimists able to enjoy Yes? |
no.
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Tapfret
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Posted: December 29 2016 at 00:22 |
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Are pessimists able to enjoy Yes?
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: December 28 2016 at 23:27 |
I am an atheist (since my teens) but I enjoyed the Question Mark and Sola Scriptura albums quite a lot a few years ago. Generally I find the same problem with Neal Morse (and Spocks Beard too) that I find with many modern prog bands, that he seems to be relying on the (nostalgic?) influence of older prog rock (I guess direct parallels with Yes, Gentle Giant and Genesis' styles). Ultimately I find much of his work to be a bore 
But in general I find modern christian music to be...... 
(I love a lot of religious music in the classical tradition though, especially renaissance and baroque works)
Edited by Thatfabulousalien - December 28 2016 at 23:28
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: December 28 2016 at 22:52 |
You're not a well man, Puppy, but we on the Archives are happy to embrace the freaks! No judgement, buddy!  Actually, I have an baffling obsession with the drippiest, lamest Hallmark Christmas TV movies, so I probably need help more than anyone!
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 28 2016 at 22:37 |
^ Whew! At least my fetishes for spatulas are still safely underground 
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: December 28 2016 at 22:36 |
It's filtered through all the Buckethead reviews, the clues have to be pieced together slowly but surely, but each reveal only brings more questions and hints!
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 28 2016 at 22:32 |
^ Hey! How did you know about the toilet brushes? I thought i was so secretive 
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: December 28 2016 at 22:27 |
Puppy, your pro-toilet brush, pro-Buckethead agenda has been quite clear for some time! 
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