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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2016 at 12:30
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I wonder what the liberal reaction would have been had Clinton won, and the Democrats taken control of both houses, and the Red states called for secession from the Union
I would have applauded. And supported moves towards it. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2016 at 12:32
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^Is that like moving to Canada? Ermm
No, that's like 50 independent states. Or less actually. Maybe a west coast one, California (Oregon and Washington may want independence from CA), East Coast-New England, Florida (none would want to be with Fl), and of course the Confederacy now to be renamed the White Supremacy Nation of the Christian Peoples. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2016 at 12:38
^Its present times like these that make me wish that the South had won the Civil War! They could have had their own country called the United States of Apartheid and we could have had the Socialist States of America. And everything would have been just fine. Clown

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2016 at 13:09
^It would've been good I think. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2016 at 15:13
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2016 at 10:23
There seems to be a tendency for the South to elect crazy people (not all the time, but one or two are enough to cause plenty of damage). I suspect that if the Confederacy survived the Civil War, it would have caused several more wars with its neighbors and would have made world politics complicated for the North (e.g., involvements in both world wars, among other things).
 
I believe Harry Turtledove has written a number of alternate history novels where the Confederacy still existed after the Civil War. The only one I read was "Guns of the South" which involved pro-apartheid time travelers from South Africa that brought machine guns with them to Civil War America. I think the other ones he wrote were unrelated to that novel.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2016 at 10:56
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2016 at 12:56
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2016 at 23:50
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I wonder what the liberal reaction would have been had Clinton won, and the Democrats taken control of both houses, and the Red states called for secession from the Union
I would have applauded. And supported moves towards it. 



I have long said, "Let them. Go ahead, I'll even lend you a hand with the luggage" to Rick Perry's and others claims of seceeding from the country. I'd be quite happy to be rid of Texas and other red states, I think it'd be to the benefit of our country. They would be happy...they can be their own lands with their own rules and stuff they want away from us whiny liberal commieterrorists. Its a win win! 

Im largely seriousLOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2016 at 00:19
So here are two news stories that I think MAY shed light into what the hell Trump is trying to do. 

Donald Trump strikes a deal with an Indiana company to keep 1000 jobs from being sent to Mexico. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/donald-trump-indiana-factory-jobs-carrier-mexico

Trump has nominated Tom Price for Sect of Health and Human Services. Price has been a champion of privatizing medicare, going against Trump's claim that he wont touch medicare. http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-transition-20161129-story.html

I am wondering if Trump will try to keep some jobs here, do some positive things, while then gutting social programs and selling out what remains of us to plutocrats. 
People will be so happy he's done some positive things, he will get a pass for everything else. This is especially bad for Dems, and Labor. Someone noted the first article mentions their union....and questioned how long it would remain under President Trump, how well their "$16 to $26 hour" wages will be in 4 years. 
The people are understandably happy jobs will stay, and it could even turn sentiment even more against labor "what good have unions done for me?" and Trump wins the long game: Keeps some jobs here, but at the loss of labor rights and wages down the road. 

I am serious, people are so desperate for a leader to do anything, they will vote him again without a second thought, because he kept jobs here while not noticing as he guts all else. I think this may honestly be his plan. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2016 at 04:19
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

So here are two news stories that I think MAY shed light into what the hell Trump is trying to do. 

Donald Trump strikes a deal with an Indiana company to keep 1000 jobs from being sent to Mexico. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/donald-trump-indiana-factory-jobs-carrier-mexico

 
Yes, with Mike Pence as Governor of Indiana and Carrier's parent company a multi billion dollar defense contractor with the US, Trump made a promise he couldn't loose and scored a PR victory. See the details below. Now let's see if Trump can return millions of jobs from China and Mexico back to the US. He said he could do that too. 
 
"Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies, is a big defense contractor that earns about $5 billion in annual revenue from government contracts on fighter-jet engines and other types of weaponry. So Washington could make those contracts contingent on keeping other jobs in America. Trump also plans widespread tax cuts and regulatory relief that could be targeted at Carrier, though it’s not clear if he offered Carrier more than any other company would get. Meanwhile, Trump has backed off his campaign pledge of slapping 35% tariffs on air conditioners imported from Mexico to the United States, to punish any company that relocates production south of the border."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2016 at 05:13
My fear is, for several reasons, Trump may not need to do that. IF he can keep nabbing a few small wins like this, may be all he needs. 
His cult of personality is so strong I kinda think he'll get a pass on all the things he'll fail to do. Unfortunately. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2016 at 06:15
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

My fear is, for several reasons, Trump may not need to do that. IF he can keep nabbing a few small wins like this, may be all he needs. 
His cult of personality is so strong I kinda think he'll get a pass on all the things he'll fail to do. Unfortunately. 
 
This is how we thought Modi's term was panning out (making a big deal out of small initiatives which his acolytes would trumpet on social media) until he unleashed the demonetization bomb. So maybe a non performing Trump is better than one who decides to act on at least his major promises in a substantial way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2016 at 06:52
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

My fear is, for several reasons, Trump may not need to do that. IF he can keep nabbing a few small wins like this, may be all he needs. 
His cult of personality is so strong I kinda think he'll get a pass on all the things he'll fail to do. Unfortunately. 
We have ways to deconstruct his cult: The left wing media!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2016 at 07:31
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I wonder what the liberal reaction would have been had Clinton won, and the Democrats taken control of both houses, and the Red states called for secession from the Union
I would have applauded. And supported moves towards it. 



I have long said, "Let them. Go ahead, I'll even lend you a hand with the luggage" to Rick Perry's and others claims of seceeding from the country. I'd be quite happy to be rid of Texas and other red states, I think it'd be to the benefit of our country. They would be happy...they can be their own lands with their own rules and stuff they want away from us whiny liberal commieterrorists. Its a win win! 

Im largely seriousLOL

Oh I was really serious Stern Smile. Really, all the Evangelicals and the Spiteful Whitenecks (not to be offensive) deserve their own country to hate and praise their lord (either the bearded one or Trump). Their backwards views of society have nothing in common with us. Let them have their white supremacy, gay-converting, health-care-privatizing, open-carrying, abortion-jailing country for themselves. Maybe they will actually prosper. I guess they would re-institute slavery so all the free labor will make them rich... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2016 at 10:12
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I wonder what the liberal reaction would have been had Clinton won, and the Democrats taken control of both houses, and the Red states called for secession from the Union
I would have applauded. And supported moves towards it. 




I have long said, "Let them. Go ahead, I'll even lend you a hand with the luggage" to Rick Perry's and others claims of seceeding from the country. I'd be quite happy to be rid of Texas and other red states, I think it'd be to the benefit of our country. They would be happy...they can be their own lands with their own rules and stuff they want away from us whiny liberal commieterrorists. Its a win win! 

Im largely seriousLOL

Oh I was really serious Stern Smile. Really, all the Evangelicals and the Spiteful Whitenecks (not to be offensive) deserve their own country to hate and praise their lord (either the bearded one or Trump). Their backwards views of society have nothing in common with us. Let them have their white supremacy, gay-converting, health-care-privatizing, open-carrying, abortion-jailing country for themselves. Maybe they will actually prosper. I guess they would re-institute slavery so all the free labor will make them rich... 


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Correct. Zero. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2016 at 12:59
Hopefully he brings the country together against him and his insane policies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2016 at 13:19
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I guess they would re-institute slavery so all the free labor will make them rich... 

The USA already has slavery on a pretty massive scale thou' admittedly the labour is not free, I believe inmates are paid 25 cents an hour.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2016 at 13:36
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I guess they would re-institute slavery so all the free labor will make them rich... 

The USA already has slavery on a pretty massive scale thou' admittedly the labour is not free, I believe inmates are paid 25 cents an hour.
Oh that's right. And with Trump and the Republican party in power for-profit prisons will probably become more of a norm than an exception. 

And guess what, the largest percentage of people incarcerated are people of color... 

So slavery-redux indeed... 
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