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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 07:09
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Oddly enough; it's rather strange that Illinois (normally a republican state) voted Democrat this time around.

Illinois has voted for the Democrat nominee for Prez since Clinton all the way to um, Hillary Clinton.  It's a solid blue now.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 07:31
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Oddly enough; it's rather strange that Illinois (normally a republican state) voted Democrat this time around.

Illinois has voted for the Democrat nominee for Prez since Clinton all the way to um, Hillary Clinton.  It's a solid blue now.




now that I think about it, it totally makes sense, since Obama is from that state, so my bad Embarrassed

I guess I clicked on a neighbour state by mistake to see the historical votes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 07:48
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Oddly enough; it's rather strange that Illinois (normally a republican state) voted Democrat this time around.

Illinois has voted for the Democrat nominee for Prez since Clinton all the way to um, Hillary Clinton.  It's a solid blue now.




now that I think about it, it totally makes sense, since Obama is from that state, so my bad Embarrassed

I guess I clicked on a neighbour state by mistake to see the historical votes
There was a reason that I left out the mid western states. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 08:07
A post by Quora user Riley Flynn, which I found interesting:

"To put simply, we told you this was going to happen. We saw this coming for years, decades even. And by we, I mean progressives, socialists, communists and all the other far left “ists”and “isms”..

DNC and party loyalists this is your problem and your fault. Not the media, not Trump. You. You've moved to the right for years, you've allowed the GOP to push you right every damn election cycle. We've told you not to enter into stupid wars. We've told you to protect unions. We've told you to object free trade. We told you about rising education costs. We warned you about boom and bust economics. We've warned you about wealth inequality. We've warned you about abandoning the working class in favor of corporations, professionals, celebrities, and “elites”.

What did you do with these warnings? You didn't listen. You took their money and did their bidding. You guys want to claim credit for marriage equality? We did that, you came along. Affordable Care Act? The definition of crony capitalism. You gave up on everything you say you believe in. And when you went right, of course the GOP had to past right wing and into crazy. All the while people were stewing in anger. Towns turning in to Walmarts and chain restaurants. Jobs leaving. College outrageously priced. Schools defunded. Turning our police into an occupying force. Locking people up for plants and chemicals. All of it. This is on you. You are supposed to be the party of the people and you became Republicans who know what to say. It worked for a long time, after all the GOP always had worse people. This year was different and everything was telling you it was.

Donald Trump was clearly going to win the primary very early on. You laughed at it, great! our girl will beat her.

Meanwhile you had a Senator with a different vision for your party and you hated it. It was her turn. You said he couldn't win when every poll showed him winning with every demographic against any of the GOP candidates. Now she won the primary, that is true. I won't say fair and square but won nonetheless.

So her as someone, who supposedly cares deeply about America, thought it would be a good idea to enter in a race when the people clearly from the beginning had no interest or like for her? When she was under a criminal investigation? When her and her husbands policies f**ked over the people she had to get to vote for her? You and her thought that was a good idea?

No you and all your infinite wisdom have brought fascism to America. You allowed a virtual coup to happen on Tuesday. Your candidate, while smart and decent, brought your party to its knees last night. Trump and the right wing control the entire federal governmet, 2/3 of state legislatures, and have a mandate from the voters to do the things he promised."

By the way, I am personally not so sure Sanders would have won after listening to a CNN report on Latino voters from Orlando who voted for Trump.  Trump managed to touch upon a very broad basket of issues (without, of course, breaking any of them down into the details) - jobs, trade, terrorism, illegal immigration.  These could and would be burning issues in an election down here as well, they are universal concerns.  I thought Sanders was a little blindsided when it came to foreign policy  and terror, compassionate socialist that he was. He would have won over other lefties like him but may not have assured the average Joe that he had a plan for terror.  Not that there is any evidence thus far of Trump having a plan but he sold that idea to his voters.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 08:42
^ Yeah, we "isms" did see it coming. I'll never be convinced that Bernie could not win because he simply didn't get as far as Hillary. He was not the Democratic nominee and his future mandates and policies were muted.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 09:49
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Ted Nugent , now that is a scary thought! His mind must be racing (wordplay) because he is no racist, right? Doesn't even like animals! 


Ted Nugent as Secretary of Defense anyone? I'm fairly certain he'd be a guy to Trump's taste.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 09:55
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Ted Nugent , now that is a scary thought! His mind must be racing (wordplay) because he is no racist, right? Doesn't even like animals! 


Ted Nugent as Secretary of Defense anyone? I'm fairly certain he'd be a guy to Trump's taste.

Hmmm...it works, but I was actually thinking Dave Mustaine....."HOLY WAAARRRS!!" 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 09:56
Could we see Sarah Palin as energy secretary? It would not surprise me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 10:04
Ben Carson, a Young Earth Creationist, Secretary Of Education.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 10:29
Howard Stern will be made head of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 11:02
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Ben Carson, a Young Earth Creationist, Secretary Of Education.


Nah.  The Department of Education will be abolished.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 11:16
Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Ben Carson, a Young Earth Creationist, Secretary Of Education.


Nah.  The Department of Education will be abolished.



You might as well if he is truly pegged for the post.


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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Howard Stern will be made head of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).

Is it wrong that I'm kind of ok with that? Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 11:19
So far his cabinet is potentially shaping up to be a who's who of the insane and billionaires  (sorry millionaires, but who's counting?), and an oil tycoon. The working class that voted for him are going to be swallowing a very bitter pill.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 12:25
The Electors will vote on Dec. 19th. 
There are online petitions urging the Electors to go against their state's votes and give Clinton the win.
The electors have gone along with their state's votes over 99% of the time.
Does anyone see even a remote chance of an upset if millions of people sign the petitions?

I don't think there is a chance in hell of this happening but I'm curious to see if anyone feels differently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 12:47
Nope, especially as Clinton has conceded
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 13:20
Originally posted by TeleStrat TeleStrat wrote:

The Electors will vote on Dec. 19th. 
There are online petitions urging the Electors to go against their state's votes and give Clinton the win.
The electors have gone along with their state's votes over 99% of the time.
Does anyone see even a remote chance of an upset if millions of people sign the petitions?

I don't think there is a chance in hell of this happening but I'm curious to see if anyone feels differently.

No. I would love to have these results somehow changed, but I don't support this. The constitutional and social crisis it could create are too horrible to imagine. We have already enough of a divided society already to add more fuel, and really heavy fuel, to the fire. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 16:15
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2016 at 17:56
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

It could be worse. When Abraham Lincoln was elected, the entire south succeeded. 
 


They tried to secede, but didn't succeed.

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

So far his cabinet is potentially shaping up to be a who's who of the insane and billionaires  (sorry millionaires, but who's counting?), and an oil tycoon. The working class that voted for him are going to be swallowing a very bitter pill.
 


I doubt the working class who voted for him have any familiarity with many of those positions, let alone the people who might occupy them. Remember, Trump won overwhelmingly with the least educated among us. They only want results, and placating them will mostly be a matter of controlling the message (at least for 4 years; the electorate will be toothless thereafter).
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