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tszirmay 
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 Posted: November 01 2016 at 12:24 |
Bold red lines, not impressive. Are you angry today 
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tszirmay
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 12:23 |
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With you, very difficult, as always . You are a grumpy old man who likes to be very authoritative and authoritarian. You opinion is always factual while other person's facts are just opinions. Tu ne fais pas le poids , mon cher.
Edited by tszirmay - November 01 2016 at 12:25
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Dean
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 12:21 |
 tszirmay wrote:
Dean wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Dean wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Need to check it out, I'll probably pick it up
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You must choose not to be influenced by any of his other, more accepted, works. On its own merits, its is masterful. |
Nah, I think you have to view it in context and in time. Compared to his other albums of the 90s it's middling at best while Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok tower above it - it's the Hergest Ridge of the 90s - not bad but not great either and quite easy to live without. |
Nah, you just compared it!  You did not view it in context and in time.  |
It followed Songs... that's viewing it in context; it was the same decade as Amarok... that's viewing it in time. At least I didn't mention Tubby Bells 2 & 3 that cashed-in on either side of it, or comment on the "Guitars" album that followed it. Voyager is a so-so album. It's not terrible, it's not magnificent and even by its own merits it isn't masterful - by its own merits it's okay.
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It seems your valued and precise opinion will always TRUMP mine. Different tastes are not debatable, unless expressed by higher powers. |
You seem to not quite grasp the concept of opinions are not facts... It's an opinion, if I state it then it is my opinion, if your's is different then it is your opinion. How difficult is this? 
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tszirmay
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 12:14 |
Dean wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Dean wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Need to check it out, I'll probably pick it up
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You must choose not to be influenced by any of his other, more accepted, works. On its own merits, its is masterful. |
Nah, I think you have to view it in context and in time. Compared to his other albums of the 90s it's middling at best while Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok tower above it - it's the Hergest Ridge of the 90s - not bad but not great either and quite easy to live without. |
Nah, you just compared it! You did not view it in context and in time. |
It followed Songs... that's viewing it in context; it was the same decade as Amarok... that's viewing it in time. At least I didn't mention Tubby Bells 2 & 3 that cashed-in on either side of it, or comment on the "Guitars" album that followed it. Voyager is a so-so album. It's not terrible, it's not magnificent and even by its own merits it isn't masterful - by its own merits it's okay.
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It seems your valued and precise opinion will always TRUMP mine. Different tastes are not debatable, unless expressed by higher powers.
Edited by tszirmay - November 01 2016 at 12:14
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Dean
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 12:11 |
Welcome Gendron, I know you're not exactly new to the forum but we've never exchanged words before and unfortunately you've caught me in really sarcastic mood today, so what I am about to type must be taken as tongue-in-cheek and not as some snarky snipe. I don't know you from Adam and have no wish to offend. However, some days I am my own worse enemy...
Larkstongue41 wrote:
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Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok tower above it |
Never listened to Amarok and I have nothing against your opinion, but Songs Of Distant Earth?? Really? I mean, Oldfield's probably in my top 10 musical bands/artists, but I always thought of that album as being more bad than good. It has its moments for sure, but I never particularly liked it.
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That's what I love about personal opinions, tastes and likes. We're all different and there are no right or wrong answers when it comes to opinions about music. So yeah. Really. That's what I really think because that is really my personal opinion and that is really how it is for me when I play all three of those albums. Really. Now, I imagine you are going to really hate Amarok, or you are going to really like it or you are going to be really indifferent about it. Fun isn't it?
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Larkstongue41
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:47 |
Dean wrote:
Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok tower above it |
Never listened to Amarok and I have nothing against your opinion, but Songs Of Distant Earth?? Really? I mean, Oldfield's probably in my top 10 musical bands/artists, but I always thought of that album as being more bad than good. It has its moments for sure, but I never particularly liked it.
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:24 |
Brilliant, as usual.  My apologies, I keep forgetting your wisdom is absolutely precise.
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 09:52 |
tszirmay wrote:
Dean wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Need to check it out, I'll probably pick it up
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You must choose not to be influenced by any of his other, more accepted, works. On its own merits, its is masterful. |
Nah, I think you have to view it in context and in time. Compared to his other albums of the 90s it's middling at best while Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok tower above it - it's the Hergest Ridge of the 90s - not bad but not great either and quite easy to live without. |
Nah, you just compared it! You did not view it in context and in time. |
It followed Songs... that's viewing it in context; it was the same decade as Amarok... that's viewing it in time. At least I didn't mention Tubby Bells 2 & 3 that cashed-in on either side of it, or comment on the "Guitars" album that followed it. Voyager is a so-so album. It's not terrible, it's not magnificent and even by its own merits it isn't masterful - by its own merits it's okay.
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tszirmay
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 09:31 |
Dean wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Need to check it out, I'll probably pick it up
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You must choose not to be influenced by any of his other, more accepted, works. On its own merits, its is masterful. |
Nah, I think you have to view it in context and in time. Compared to his other albums of the 90s it's middling at best while Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok tower above it - it's the Hergest Ridge of the 90s - not bad but not great either and quite easy to live without. |
Nah, you just compared it! You did not view it in context and in time.
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 07:56 |
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I don't care for it, as explained in my review. There are artists that did this type of new age music better, and I also expect more from Oldfield. Oldfield also did Celtic much better, especially in the early 1980s
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 06:18 |
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Seems a fair assessment, I just bought it yesterday, it's not up there with Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok but it's a nice album I'm happy to own. I'm a lot more tolerant of his lesser works these days. I've only recently bought Platinum through Crises as they were rereleased. For years I only had up to Incantations.
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 06:10 |
tszirmay wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Need to check it out, I'll probably pick it up
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You must choose not to be influenced by any of his other, more accepted, works. On its own merits, its is masterful. |
Nah, I think you have to view it in context and in time. Compared to his other albums of the 90s it's middling at best while Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok tower above it - it's the Hergest Ridge of the 90s - not bad but not great either and quite easy to live without.
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Kingsnake
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 03:29 |
It's a great album.
But if there's one thing progfanatics are allergic to, it's new age.
When a beloved artist makes anything slightly new ageish, it's bashed to bits.
I love it though, and don't care what the majority thinks of it.
Mike is so diverse, making prog, popsongs, new age, electronic, dance and folk.
I love the guy.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: October 31 2016 at 21:02 |
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Bought.
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Ian
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Barbu
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Posted: October 31 2016 at 20:47 |
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Pas pire, pas pire.
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tszirmay
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Posted: October 31 2016 at 20:39 |
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Thanks Dill, ya made my point!
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Posted: October 31 2016 at 20:36 |
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I got it, and I guess I do enjoy it. But nothing particularly great. He's done much better.
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tszirmay
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Posted: October 31 2016 at 20:20 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Need to check it out, I'll probably pick it up
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You must choose not to be influenced by any of his other, more accepted, works. On its own merits, its is masterful.
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: October 31 2016 at 19:13 |
Need to check it out, I'll probably pick it up
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Ian
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