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micky
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Posted: October 29 2016 at 12:12 | |
yep.... that point or two.. among undecided for whom which this email dealio was one bridge too far.... may just keep those states out. Thus falling into the McSilver 85-15 predicitons of blow out versus close/hum dum election results. however... if Tomey did do this for political gain.. which is mind blowing since he could have handed this election to Trump simply by saying Hillary should be prosecuted (remember this is America.. guilt or innocence does NOT matter). the notion he is bringing this up days before the election.. with seemingly no correlation to her email server.. or classified emails.. in baffling... to say the least. It isn't like this will help Trump at all other than prehaps keeping a few red states from going blue... even then.. I still doubt this will have any real impact... many votes have already been cast.. and IF this was political shananigans..by the head of the FBI>... it could actually help her.. |
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: October 30 2016 at 07:39 | |
we love thinking... sooo.. let us put on our thinking caps.. and use the grey matter and see what it would take for this election to be close... here is what we are looking at sitting here Sunday morning... less than 10 days before the election.. yet with millions of votes already cast... states that are within 5 points and in many cases within polling margins of error (thus in theory possible to swing either way are marked out as Battleground). The obvious thing that jumps out... 238-98. That is the baked in electoral advantage Democats have to start with.. to make this close.. Trump (or any Republican candidate moving forward) has to win a bunch of the close states... but can he? so next step... let's be safe and take out those that are close.. but have been consistently polling for one candidate or the other. ie... Trump has as much chance to win Pennsylvania as Clinton does Texas. so that makes game set and match Clinton... ie... Trump has to win every single remaining state to have a 'close election' to win he has to somehow turn a solid blue state red.. in the face of never even been ahead in months of polling.. yet while still winning nearly all the remaining undecided states. The chances of that... goes back to the McSilver projection... less than 1% man... the likelyhood that a video is out there of Hillary drowning puppies while cheered on by muslims and chanting death to America.. and still even if that was found... it would still not a be a certain thing. There are millions and milllions of early votes already cast man.. so what is Trump's likely best possible result... yeah... taking all the rest of the states. So what would that look like... a picture of it is proof enough of just how unlikely it is to even have a close election... where it is interesting is figuring out Clinton's best case.. best case.. she wins all the 'swing' states... she has all of them but Iowa and Ohio pretty much in the bag. winning those would not be a stretch as the polls in those states are pretty much dead even. SO it is not a stretch for her to bring those in.. so that leaves the red states. Going with order of likelyhood N.C is pretty much a 70-30 winner for Clinton... it was only a matter of time before it, like Virginia before it, turned color from solid Red. An influx of young, educated, latino population growth, and yankee migration from the northern states are creating urban margins that the rural conservative parts of the state will not be able to overcome. Georgia... see N.C but further down the path Va already took, and N.C is taking the final steps toward.. a true toss up.. 50-50. Tossing it to Clinton since early vote totals are hinting at just what the Democrats needed to do... turn out the vote. Texas - the (parden the pun) the white elephant in the room for the Republican Party... see N.C.. unless the Republican Party manages to avoid alienating the Hispanic vote as they did the Black vote, and Trump/2016 went a long way to doing just that.. it will turn blue. Romney won this state by what.. 15 points in 2012.. won't be anywhere that close... 40-60 Clinton takes it.. Indiana and Missouri are two states Trump has led in every poll.. yet it has not really had much play that those states are fairly close.. AND with a rather high % of undecided voters still left at this stage of the campaign (less than 10 days). If my theory holds that undecided break 2-1 to Clinton as the safe 'known' choice.. those states could go blue. It isn't like they are like Oklahoma or the deep south.. both have recently gone Democratic.. going 25-75 on them.. very demographically alike.. where one goes.. the other will. so what would a Clinton landslide look like... sort of hard to imagine.. but then again.. it is about as likely as the first result... or ahem... a close election...in which Trump takes pretty much every close state. so those are the extremes.. so the likely result is somewhere in the middle... though this latest email thingy is likely nothing that will hurt Clinton.. it might move the meter a point or two.. which means she doesn't move as many red states as she might have. More a standard win for Democrats these days than a historical rout... Here is how I see it playing out. The McMullin dude wins Utah... |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: October 30 2016 at 12:58 | |
So the FBI is reopening the blah blah Clinton etc etc email yadda yadda
There's nothing to it whatsoever, and most rational people, even Repubs I know, have not even bothered to hype it up. BUT as we know...lots of people are not rational Barely over a week to the election this is very poor luck for Clinton. It will re open the issue to many people, and since the masses of undecideds swing with whatever the latest "event" is... Well 538 has shown the race suddenly tightened up, with AZ, IA and OH leaning Trump currently. This is doubly dangerous because like I said, the polls naturally tighten as long as nothing (debates, trump scandal) is happening. Don't get me wrong, Clinton will still win...VA, CO, NM are enough to ensure victory, and she's winning those. Just I really really believe things will end up like I said months ago...a 2012-esque victory, perhaps a little less perhaps a little more like 2008. |
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lazland
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Posted: October 30 2016 at 13:54 | |
My own feeling? This latest nonsense means that almost all bets are off, and a squeaky bum time is in prospect for election night amongst my Democrat friends
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
Posted: October 31 2016 at 04:08 | |
"Republicans' growing unity behind Donald Trump has helped pull him just one percentage point below Hillary Clinton and placed GOP leaders who resist him in a vulnerable position, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News Tracking Poll. A majority of all likely voters say they are unmoved by the FBI's announcement Friday that it may review additional emails from Clinton's time as secretary of state. Just over six in 10 voters say the news will make no difference in their vote, while just over three in 10 say it makes them less likely to support her; 2% say they're more likely to back her as a result. The issue may do more to reinforce preferences of voters opposed to Clinton than swing undecided voters - roughly two-thirds of those who say the issue makes them less likely to support Clinton are Republicans or Republican-leaning independents (68%), while 17% lean Democratic and 9% are independents who lean toward neither party. When asked about House Speaker Paul Ryan's decision not to campaign for Trump in the final weeks, two-thirds of Republican-leaning likely voters disapprove of the move (66 percent), including nearly half who disapprove "strongly" (48%). Barely one in five approve of Ryan's decision, 21%. The Post-ABC Tracking Poll continues to find a very tight race, with Clinton at 46% and Trump at 45% among likely voters in interviews from Tuesday through Friday, followed by Libertarian Gary Johnson at 4% and the Green Party's Jill Stein at 2%. The result is similar to a 47-45 margin in the previous wave released Saturday, though smaller than found in other surveys this week. When likely voters are asked to choose between Clinton and Trump alone, Clinton stands at 49% to Trump's 46%, a margin that is still statistically insignificant. Greater Republican unity has buoyed Trump's rising support, which has wavered throughout the year. Trump's 87% support among self-identified Republicans, ticking up from 83% last week nearly match Clinton's 88% support among Democrats. Independents also have moved sharply in Trump's direction, from favouring Clinton by eight points one week ago to backing Trump by 19 points. Clinton is still widely seen as more qualified for the presidency, leading the measure by an 18-point margin, 54% to 36%. She has held a clear advantage over Trump in qualifications throughout the campaign. But Trump receives more unified backing among those who see him as better qualified. Fully 99% of this group currently supports him, compared with Clinton's 84% support among those who see her as better qualified. Another 7% of this group supports Trump, while 4% are for Johnson and 2% for Stein. Clinton's also lost a once-large advantage on empathy, where voters now split 46% for her and 43% for Trump when asked which candidate understands the problems of people like them. Clinton had led Trump by an eight-point margin on this measure in early September among likely voters and by a 20-point margin among all adults in August. Clinton has a narrow eight-point edge over Trump which candidate has stronger moral character, 46% to 38%. A sizable 13% volunteer that neither candidate possesses this trait. A larger share of Trump supporters than Clinton supporters say neither candidate has strong moral character (12% vs. 2%). House Speaker Paul Ryan's decision not to campaign for Trump this fall has proven unpopular among his fellow partisans. This as Ryan's status as speaker is in peril through Republican infighting. Rejection of Ryan's stance swells to 75% among Republicans and GOP-leaning independents who identify as "very conservative" compared with smaller majorities of "somewhat conservative" Republicans (63%) and those who are moderate or liberal (56%). Ryan's stand against Trump is being handled differently by several other prominent Republicans. For one, Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, has said that even though he could not endorse Trump nor his actions, he still plans to vote for the Republican nominee. Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, a popular Republican governor in a overwhelmingly Democratic state, has spoken out against Trump, a move that was widely popular with independents and Democrats in the state, but Republicans were split on the decision." Nothing changes except for how close they are in the swing states and how close they are nationally. And, to think that Trump supporters, who came out in record numbers to vote for Trump in the primary, will not go down swinging is just foolish. Edited by SteveG - October 31 2016 at 04:31 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: October 31 2016 at 05:10 | |
^ here, here. That Trump can get within any percentage points of Clinton at all should be ridiculous enough, the Republicans could field Bozo the Clown or a tub of lard and still be a credible challenge to Clinton in the minds of those who wouldn't want her to be president of their local PTA let alone a country. I fear that 2016 will continue to be a year of hard lessons for everyone, not just the Democrats.
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: October 31 2016 at 05:47 | |
In fact, a liberal news outlet down here has also been citing Washington Post polls that project only a 1% difference between Clinton and Trump. It is this PA thread that seems to present an alternative reality. Maybe it will all work out in the end and I can only hope that it will be the case.
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: October 31 2016 at 08:20 | |
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rushfan4
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66452 |
Posted: October 31 2016 at 08:38 | |
The funny thing about the "e-mail scandal" is that I wonder if Donald Trump would be willing to release all of his historic emails to level the playing field. I'm pretty sure that they would be littered with inappropriate racist slurs and jokes; sexist slurs and jokes; and "let them eat cake" mentality responses regarding vendors and employees complaining about not getting paid; benefits; etc... Not to mention any number of illegal goings-ons and bribes involved in securing everything needed to open his various business endeavors. I'm pretty certain that 33,000 missing and deleted emails would be dwarfed...just look at his twitter feed. I also wouldn't be surprised to find top secret and classified national security details within his various emails as well. "Enough already with the damn emails".
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: October 31 2016 at 10:56 | |
Dedicated Clinton supporters are cultish, no offense meant to anyone. It increases with age too, people my age who like Clinton at least accept how tight things are, when I told one I believe the GOP re takes Congress in 2018 with another big swell he actually said (this is from a Hillary backer) he's prepared for her to be a one term President even. But on PA, FB, and life in general with age seems to be an increasing blind loyalty to Clinton. I'm not being a troll here, it's really just a lot of fond memories..it seems to me. Fond memories of the good 90s times and I guess of an older Hillary. An older Hillary I think is gone, she's evolved into something different. Now that it's leaked she has a "public and private" stance, by her own admittance, I think any hope that she's walking the line now and will fight for profressivism as elected, must be considered bunk. It's been a lie, which many of us already believed, and all this "Just wait and see" "trust us" "she will prove it to you" stuff can't be taken seriously anymore. There will indeed be hard lessons for all. Forget Clinton's election, which will probably be smaller than some expect, she will be starting out in a major hole. From day one, already one of the more unpopular President's, Jason Chaffetz is running around saying they already have "two years worth" of stuff for her, meaning more investigations. BS as it is...this will dog her entire Presidency. |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: October 31 2016 at 11:02 | |
In fact Trump has deleted emails himself! Pretty much everything he says is a game...rages about emails: has deleted email. Rages against China taking jobs: has used Chinese labor. Attacks Bill's record on women: look at Trump's. Attack's Clinton's health: has not released any of his health info. Dude is literally trolling the country, and I am 100% serious. Corrupt, crooked, undue influence: Has welched on deals, used gov subsidies, clearly in bed with Putin. This is all a sick game to him. It's like his campaign is basically laughing at all of us. Yet hatred of Clinton, racism, justifiable (but poorly guided) anger from the white working class, and a general rebellion against "PC" and "liberalism" or more like a carricature of liberalism created on the internet, is fueling him to just within points of Clinton Edited by JJLehto - October 31 2016 at 11:05 |
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lazland
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Posted: October 31 2016 at 12:04 | |
Here, here, in spades. Agree with every word. However, quite why Woy Fattersley has to be brought into the debate is a tad unfair? |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: November 01 2016 at 07:10 | |
WOW.
So, we all know Trump's connections with Russia, a disturbing link, but seems it's deeper than that. Allegedly, from a credible two decade long spy who's experienced with Russia, there has been direct contact between his campaign and Russia, and the claim Russia has been cultivating Trump for 5 years and potentially has even blackmailed him. IF this turns out to be true, it would mean: 1: Russia's influence on Trump is deep and very disturbing 2: No matter how he is spun in anyone's mind, he can't be voted for, it's actually dangerous for the US, in a far more real and scary way than people think with his racism and impossible to do claims. 3: Russia is directly intervening with our election. Not just some leaks to cause damage (already bad) but to the point of potentially compromising a candidate, or even planting them. Comey has potentially withheld this massive info, if so one would have to question his motives or at least his competence. |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 08:14 | |
^ Shades of The Manchurian Candidate.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:17 | |
It sounds nutty, and I'm not really buying the blackmail thing, BUT his Putin ties are worse than I ever imagined.
This article released yesterday certainly shows some smoke, though no fire. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html The claim isn't new btw, on Sept 9 Evan McMullin said some people in the CIA believe Trump has been blackmailed 2016 is truly insane, let's say there's nothing to that. We have legitimate people going around saying a candidate for a major party for PotUS is blackmailed by Russia. This is the state of things, the point we've reached
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SteveG
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 12:39 | |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 12:56 | |
The FBI disagrees. |
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CPicard
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 13:27 | |
Yeah, but is the FBI to be trusted? Not that the CIA should be trusted...
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SteveG
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 13:53 | |
^All this neo cold war intrigue gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that I haven't felt since the seventies.
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The T
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 14:01 | |
We need the sexiness of the Brezhnev years back
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