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    Posted: October 22 2016 at 06:56
yeah.. that is one of the most stupid comments I've heard about that album.  Pretty much any album....
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Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

One of the "criticisms" of Tales is that it goes on too long. (You get the opposite criticism when you get to 90125 and Asia).

Just wondering how it sounds in one hit on a DD without the tedium and torture of actual motion to change discs.

Or was that the problem? Having to turn over a record all the time to see what happens next?

I'm looking forward to this "new" intro.

I wonder how Yes would have wanted this and CTTE had this technology been available then.

1 - I don't undestand "too long" when every second is wonderfull -- maybe Can Tago Mago is too long, Meddle IS too long. Maybe the 9th symphonie of Beethoven is too long? - Wagnerīs The Nibelung ring IS TOO long (8 hours?), this I will listen only when I understand german. "Too long" is dumb criticism. 90% of all the criticism in the world is dumb.  Now, with the internet, 99,9%

2 - Without changing discs is better, more fluid, "Revealing/Remembering almost one song

3 - New intro is not really something to look foward. Just sounds of the sea and ambience with sparce notes. 

4 - Yes, I also wonder about that. But then second though: one of the things I like in classic prog is exacltly the lack of technology. 
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Points: 2601 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2016 at 05:23
One of the "criticisms" of Tales is that it goes on too long. (You get the opposite criticism when you get to 90125 and Asia).

Just wondering how it sounds in one hit on a DD without the tedium and torture of actual motion to change discs.

Or was that the problem? Having to turn over a record all the time to see what happens next?

I'm looking forward to this "new" intro.

I wonder how Yes would have wanted this and CTTE had this technology been available then.
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About new listenings and perceptions of Yes's music, I'd just liked to report this youtube channel : https://www.youtube.com/user/vzqk50HD/videos
 
The guy did an incredible job expressing his perception of prog music, Yes in particular. His works covers tons of various tracks. I have spent three of four hours the other night enjoying his work and of course Yes's music I haven't listen to for a long period. It's really worth checking out, with videos on full screen :). My apologies if you all know these videos for years...

 





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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Michael P. Dawson Michael P. Dawson wrote:

The main SW remix version does not include the intro. Both bonus versions of TRSoG, under the title "Dance of the Dawn," are the full track with the intro included.

I, for one, hate that ambient intro!  It drags on & on, sounding like the guitar noodling I used to do when I was first learning (using volume pedal swells etc.).  

The superior Yes mixes, IMHO, are always the original Eddie Offord mixes.  I have a CTTE CD that was a very early CD, cut right from the analog studio tapes.  Sure, lots of hiss etc., just like Eddie would have heard!!  



Exactly. Right from analog masters. Hiss and all that analog noise always confuses kids, but they donīt understand that backround noise does not lessen the actual information music in any way, itīs just tape noise. Nothing to worry about.
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This remix is really something
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The chorus "What happened to these songs we once knew so well" give me goosebumbs -- after 30 years - TFTO as it may have sounded in the head of Jon Anderson and Steve Howe.
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Hard to believe music was once so great
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Originally posted by Devoncir Devoncir wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Two concurrent threads going on TFTO? Really.


<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">Yes, TFTO is a BIG, FAT beast. It requires many topics to fullfill itīs redundantly vast complexion  </span>
More like a big, fat tub of goo with a bad complexion.

We true music fans are not interested in your problems. Leave that thing alone.
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Originally posted by Michael P. Dawson Michael P. Dawson wrote:

The main SW remix version does not include the intro. Both bonus versions of TRSoG, under the title "Dance of the Dawn," are the full track with the intro included.

I, for one, hate that ambient intro!  It drags on & on, sounding like the guitar noodling I used to do when I was first learning (using volume pedal swells etc.).  

The superior Yes mixes, IMHO, are always the original Eddie Offord mixes.  I have a CTTE CD that was a very early CD, cut right from the analog studio tapes.  Sure, lots of hiss etc., just like Eddie would have heard!!  
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Originally posted by Devoncir Devoncir wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Two concurrent threads going on TFTO? Really.


<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">Yes, TFTO is a BIG, FAT beast. It requires many topics to fullfill itīs redundantly vast complexion  </span>
More like a big, fat tub of goo with a bad complexion.
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Unfortunatley it is the last release. Other multi track tapes are missing at the present.
We were really waiting for Drama and 90125.
Maybe they'll find the reels on a shelf someday...
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Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

Originally posted by Son.of.Tiresias Son.of.Tiresias wrote:

Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

^ Cool, thanks!

I'm looking to get a digital copy of the album (my homemade vinyl rip sounds a bit like a campfire during the quieter sections) and I'm leaning between the Rhino and SW remasters. As long as it has the extended opening for Revealing Science of God, I'll be happy. I'm still sort of leaning towards the Rhino one since the full multi-disc set from SW looks a little cumbersome, especially since I'm not a huge audiophile.

Can anyone attest to a radical improvement sound in one versus the other?


You bet. Forget that digital crap, itīs just Wilsonīs fantasy. Buy a decent ANALOG RIG. Get THE ORIGINAL VINYL COPY. eBay is FULL OF THEM. You will not look back again. I know a thing or two about how the music should sound like. `cos I have forty yearsīexperience on analog. 
Additionally, in analog you can change the response curve with an equalizer if you desperately want to hear different sound balance and itīs just OK, of course. Iīm afraid that decent gear for equalization are quite expensive though. Anyway, decent analog is always better than any digital IME.
Time is running out man.

I already have the original vinyl copy and a good analog setup; I just hardly ever play it (or any of my vinyl) because I prefer the convenience of digital. I personally have no problem with digital sound quality, and it's nice being able to put the album on in the car, at friends' houses, etc. 

Iīm glad you like your way, Wanderer. I play vinyl practically every day. A few years ago I recorded my original UK copy to a crome tape and I played it once. Just a year ago I started to listening to it in my car when driving to work and back home, and started to get into very seriously. Played almost every time, fort and back... five-six times maybe... Suddenly I realized its greatness. In a noisy car. It was madness I admit (grin). After all these decades. What a fool I had been ! I simply never had the time to really focus on listening, just a side one day, the other next... Yes ! Heureka ! Better late than never. And boy it was worth. I was in trance when I arrived home. Believe or not but itīs absolutely true Wink 


Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - October 19 2016 at 01:52
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Originally posted by Son.of.Tiresias Son.of.Tiresias wrote:

Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

^ Cool, thanks!

I'm looking to get a digital copy of the album (my homemade vinyl rip sounds a bit like a campfire during the quieter sections) and I'm leaning between the Rhino and SW remasters. As long as it has the extended opening for Revealing Science of God, I'll be happy. I'm still sort of leaning towards the Rhino one since the full multi-disc set from SW looks a little cumbersome, especially since I'm not a huge audiophile.

Can anyone attest to a radical improvement sound in one versus the other?


You bet. Forget that digital crap, itīs just Wilsonīs fantasy. Buy a decent ANALOG RIG. Get THE ORIGINAL VINYL COPY. eBay is FULL OF THEM. You will not look back again. I know a thing or two about how the music should sound like. `cos I have forty yearsīexperience on analog. 
Additionally, in analog you can change the response curve with an equalizer if you desperately want to hear different sound balance and itīs just OK, of course. Iīm afraid that decent gear for equalization are quite expensive though. Anyway, decent analog is always better than any digital IME.
Time is running out man.

I already have the original vinyl copy and a good analog setup; I just hardly ever play it (or any of my vinyl) because I prefer the convenience of digital. I personally have no problem with digital sound quality, and it's nice being able to put the album on in the car, at friends' houses, etc. 
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Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

^ Cool, thanks!

I'm looking to get a digital copy of the album (my homemade vinyl rip sounds a bit like a campfire during the quieter sections) and I'm leaning between the Rhino and SW remasters. As long as it has the extended opening for Revealing Science of God, I'll be happy. I'm still sort of leaning towards the Rhino one since the full multi-disc set from SW looks a little cumbersome, especially since I'm not a huge audiophile.

Can anyone attest to a radical improvement sound in one versus the other?


You bet. Forget that digital crap, itīs just Wilsonīs fantasy. Buy a decent ANALOG RIG. Get THE ORIGINAL VINYL COPY. eBay is FULL OF THEM. You will not look back again. I know a thing or two about how the music should sound like. `cos I have forty yearsīexperience on analog. 
Additionally, in analog you can change the response curve with an equalizer if you desperately want to hear different sound balance and itīs just OK, of course. Iīm afraid that decent gear for equalization are quite expensive though. Anyway, decent analog is always better than any digital IME.
Time is running out man.


Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - October 15 2016 at 07:47
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

*hiss* has that man nothing better to do.. like have a life...  leave our sacred cows alone...

^ get the Rhino remaster man....  for myself I have zero interest in hearing what SWilson did with the album.  That is like having some urban graffiti artist try to improve a Rubens painting...  it ain't happening man...

After all, you may have some taste Wink

Jokes aside, you are absolutely correct here. 

Seriously, the original analog recording (vinyl/tape) have it all, I wouldnīt change a single note. Nobody can make them better, itīs just a digital fantasy. Itīs nothing but Wilsonīs fantasy, and Iīm not interested in othersī fantasies about my for decades beloved music. Why on earth should I.

And decent analog is always better than any digital format IME.


Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - October 15 2016 at 07:45
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*hiss* has that man nothing better to do.. like have a life...  leave our sacred cows alone...

^ get the Rhino remaster man....  for myself I have zero interest in hearing what SWilson did with the album.  That is like having some urban graffiti artist try to improve a Rubens painting...  it ain't happening man...
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^ Cool, thanks!

I'm looking to get a digital copy of the album (my homemade vinyl rip sounds a bit like a campfire during the quieter sections) and I'm leaning between the Rhino and SW remasters. As long as it has the extended opening for Revealing Science of God, I'll be happy. I'm still sort of leaning towards the Rhino one since the full multi-disc set from SW looks a little cumbersome, especially since I'm not a huge audiophile.

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The main SW remix version does not include the intro. Both bonus versions of TRSoG, under the title "Dance of the Dawn," are the full track with the intro included.
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Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

Does the Steven Wilson remaster also have the 2 minute ambient soundscape at the start of The Revealing Science of God or was that exclusively on the Rhino remaster?


See if this answers your question (from Burning Shed site) :

"A suitable source file for the "studio run-through" of "Dance of the Dawn" from the Rhino 2003 remaster couldn't be found. Panegyric opted instead to include the better sounding "Dance of the Dawn" final mix from the same edition."

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' brigado, Reinaldo

Gonna search if available to download in HiRes (or at least lossless FLAC), it's my prefered format these days -  though usually a bit more expensive.
The 2013 Rhino remaster is available at 20$ on HDTracks (HiRes), let's see what I can find online



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Does the Steven Wilson remaster also have the 2 minute ambient soundscape at the start of The Revealing Science of God or was that exclusively on the Rhino remaster?
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