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Tom Ozric 
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 Posted: September 10 2016 at 14:58 |
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^ I prefer Illegal Alien to Teakbois........
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SquonkHunter
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Posted: September 10 2016 at 20:13 |
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Failure? Not in the least. While parts of it were not exactly the best, I found it refreshing overall. At the time, I had pretty much written off Yes. ABWH went a long way to restoring my faith in them and reviving my interest in Prog in general.
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aglasshouse
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Posted: September 10 2016 at 20:18 |
 Terrapin Station wrote:
aglasshouse wrote:
Teakbois is bad for the same reason Illegal Alien is. |
But "Illegal Alien" is a great tune.
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I can't say I agree with that.
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: September 15 2016 at 07:39 |
Missing Chris Squire was a failure.
I just bought the ABWH album (and a couple of others) īcos I had extra money at the time. Actually I was expecting something different than old Yes style material, maybe something fresh stuff... But I didnīt like at all, sold it and never looked back. Keys to Ascension in 1996 was a relief, a very nice surprise. There are many songs performed better than in studio albums. Superb albums (on two CDs).
Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - September 15 2016 at 07:56
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aglasshouse
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Posted: September 15 2016 at 13:22 |
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Wow, this thread is still going?
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Rednight
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Posted: September 15 2016 at 15:53 |
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^Why not? We're talking about four prog legends.
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aglasshouse
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Posted: September 16 2016 at 13:36 |
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I suppose seeing as it turned into an appreciation thread as opposed to a lounge topic, I shouldn't be surprised.
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Tapfret
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Posted: September 18 2016 at 10:25 |
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Ultimately the ABWH-Union phase was more about the live performances anyway. The albums were nowhere near the worst of the Yes legacy, but pretty sub-mediocre.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: September 18 2016 at 10:59 |
Tapfret wrote:
Ultimately the ABWH-Union phase was more about the live performances anyway. The albums were nowhere near the worst of the Yes legacy, but pretty sub-mediocre. |
ABWH was an alright album (better than Union, in my estimation), but you are right about the touring. I saw Yes in-the-round for the Union tour and it was fantastic.
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auxfnx
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Posted: September 19 2016 at 08:14 |
I wasn't there at the time, but listening to it as part of my exploration of the Yes catalog, it is very very bad. One of the only prog things about this album is that it has longform tunes. But the songs themselves are the standard lame ballady things that were happening all over the Yes camp at the time, or otherwise a mix of bad sounds and attempted dance vibes. There are some nice moments on the record but they are far and few between! Yes were no better at the time really. Something like Keys To Ascension is a lot stronger.
Like I assume everyone here must be catergorising this entirely seperately from the 70s stuff as it is nowhere near the same quality of songwriting.
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uduwudu
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Posted: September 22 2016 at 03:35 |
Rednight wrote:
^Why not? We're talking about four prog legends. |
Are we? An interesting idea here. The product of a band or the result of 4 individuals pretending to be a band or an actual 4 headed single entity. I'm thinking of Bruford's comments in his auto biog where he felt some what misled by the intentions of his then, and subsequent former colleagues. Were expectations by the many headed (us) too much for Yes east (them)? But yes, (!) the concert performances are best. They really should have utilized Tony Levin and his sound a lot more on the record - the absence of Squire and his bass drive does give ABWH a Yes-lite feel. If I had to choose between this and the later Talk it would be chatterbox every time. Maybe Jon knew best. After all he said about having to do actual songs that's where he decided to go after ABWH. Anyway nothing here to make one put this on over The Yes Album. Which makes me wonder, is this progressive music or now a style of music called prog?
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uduwudu
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Posted: October 02 2016 at 02:49 |
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As a bonus what about a little album that seems to fall between the cracks. I refer to Symphonic Yes. Anderson, Bruford and Howe with some rearrangements of Yes music. Last I read we fans have kicked this to the touchline and been given a new ball. Two balls really, if you'll pardon the expression. Keys to Ascension. And the sequel.
But Symphonic Yes... part of the ABWH ...legacy? or that of Yes?
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Dellinger
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Posted: October 02 2016 at 22:07 |
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I haven't got that album yet... though I have been curious about it. However, for the time I had forgotten about it. Still, I love the Symphinic live album/DVD, though it's got just about no relation to this one.
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uduwudu
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Posted: October 02 2016 at 22:23 |
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No it's more or less quite informal really. It doesn't even have a proper band name and will most likely slip through the cracks. I can't see it being given the Steven Wilson surround / blu ray 2 CD expanded version box set mega treatment but it might turn up as a bonus CD of an ABWH / Union box set spectacular. (Idle thoughts there, the whole lot might get itself swept away and forgotten). But worth picking up if it's around. Probably won't do a Close To Edge thing but it's Yes (more or less) doing something a little different. But I think part of the ABWH thing courtesy of Billy B being there.
And David Palmer was still a man then.
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uduwudu
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Posted: October 21 2016 at 03:41 |
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Oh and speaking of a boxed set version I forgot to mention there was supposed to be an album following. perhaps those tracks will one day be officially released. They're not bad. Of course I'm not supposed to know that.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 22 2016 at 05:54 |
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To be honest it hasn't aged that well for me and Union wasn't that bad. I regard Union as being similar.
Edited by Slartibartfast - October 22 2016 at 05:55
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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SeventhOne
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Posted: October 23 2016 at 05:26 |
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I've always liked it. We had 'The Meeting' playing in the theater when my first little angel was born. Like others, I disliked 'Teakbois' but apart from that great.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: October 29 2016 at 15:55 |
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I don't think so. I think they tried to capture the classic Yes sound and I think they achieved that to a great extent while also bringing in some fresh new ideas. I think the only thing that was missing was the YES name. I saw the tour as a 19 year old and to me it's almost like it was all just yesterday. Fond memories for me.
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 29 2016 at 15:56
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uduwudu
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Posted: November 08 2016 at 01:01 |
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
I think they tried to capture the classic Yes sound and I think they achieved that to a great extent while also bringing in some fresh new ideas. I think the only thing that was missing was the YES name |
That and the bass. Not only was Squire's playing distinctive, forthright and prealent. It was also missing. Instead they toned Ton-Y Levin down and made a Yes-Lite album. Of course compared to Heaven And Earth it's more like CTTE, Relayer , Fragile and Tales. The live thing is good though. Unsurprisingly.
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Kimdino
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Posted: November 18 2016 at 21:25 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Failure? Not in my social circle. ABW&H has been a hit with every lady friend I've had since 89'. Ignorant of YES they request ABW&H more than any YESish album. |
Arghhh, NOOooo..... Now you tell me after I've binned my copy.
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