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mechanicalflattery View Drop Down

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Posted: October 11 2016 at 19:33

Old people are weird...

Devoncir

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Posted: October 11 2016 at 20:24

Rednight wrote:

Devoncir wrote:

He was a murderer who posed as a hippie.

Wrong again, Mandrake. It was the followers Manson sent to Cielo and Waverly drives who did the murderin'. No evidence has ever come forward that he murdered anyone.

Wrong is the wikipedia KHAAANNNN, sorry, REEDNIGHTTT

Charles Milles Manson (born Charles Milles Maddox, November 12, 1934)^[2]^:136–7 is an American criminal who led what became known as the Manson Family, a quasi-commune that arose in California in the late 1960s. Manson and his followers committed a series of nine murders at four locations over a period of five weeks in the summer of 1969. In 1971 he was found guilty of conspiracy to commit the murders of seven people – most notably of the actress Sharon Tate – all of which were carried out by members of the group at his instruction. He is currently serving nine concurrent life sentences at Corcoran State Prison in Corcoran, California.

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Posted: October 11 2016 at 20:34

Helter Skelter (kill Sharon Tate) Helter Skelter (kill Sharon Tate) I´ve got blisters on my fingers (kill seven people)

Edited by Devoncir - October 11 2016 at 21:01

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Posted: October 14 2016 at 15:03

My final word on this, I guess ... don't really know from hippie or freak, and those words mean different things in different countries, apparently. But I was brought into this world about halfway through that turbulent decade of the 1960s...
So, I usually let those who were experiencing their formative or young-adult years in that decade speak for the times.
In this case, the 60's and its counterculture is probably best summarized by a spokesperson like Suze Rotolo (Bob Dylan's girlfriend from 1961-64; Italian-American artist, civil rights activist, and veteran of Greenwich Village culture of the time):
"The sixties were an era that spoke a language of inquiry and curiosity and rebelliousness against the stifling and repressive political and social culture of the decade that preceded it. The new generation causing all the fuss was not driven by the market: we had something to say, not something to sell."

Edited by CapnBearbossa - October 14 2016 at 15:04

Will higher mighty force redeem
the one who dropped the moral compass,
failed to fulfill the dream?
-Ian Anderson

Guy Guden

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Posted: October 14 2016 at 17:25

The Beats were turned into Beatniks by San Francisco columnist Herb Caen, in an attempt to minimalize their counterculture philosophies and attitudes. By placing a "nik" on the end of "beat," the intention was to diminish its members by aligning the group to Communist Russia and to minimize the demoralizing effect on the United States created by the successful launch of the Sputnik.

Likewise to be "Hip," a Beat word, was group herded into the dismissive term hippie; an all encompassing description to describe

many lifestyles, but usually used to evoke a group of poverty embracing individuals, often living communally with long hair, beards and bare feet. Both groups tend to embrace a freeform, liberal attitude (but their are exceptions)

To be a Freak can connotate a wide variety of odd, mutant personalities. Zappa said he was Freak, not a Hippie/Hippy. His politics were conservative; he was a tough task master, with a perpetual chip on his shoulder, who looked odd with his long hair, facial hair and quirky clothing, art choices and musical direction.

The only thing "hippie" about him was his open marriage, free love lifestyle and a taste for the kink. If we use the term "freak" it can be applied from the hippie ("The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers") to the dangerous (Manson and his outlaw tribe of killers) to the power hungry (a "Control Freak"). And since the '60s, hippie has deviated into yuppie or the pro/con label "hipster".

Dada, Nouvelle Vague, being Avant-Garde or an Iconoclast. Take your pick.

Class over for today. Don't forget to get those term papers done by Tuesday: "What is the definition of the

word 'Dig' and where does 'Jive' come in?" See you Monday and enjoy your weekend.