American Politics the 2016 edition

The T wrote: The few GOP-ers that still look good are those giants like Ted Cruz who would never even think about endorsing Trump, let alone about doing just a few days before his campaign imploded... ... Oh wait...

yeah... as I said man... Trump is the least of the Republican Parties problems. He was only the symptom. See you all in 4 years....

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/shame-on-you-trump-supporters-clash-with-republican-leaders?utm_term=.qiAOXm3eEX#.rlVDXbY1zX

hahahhahah

yep... and he is sitting pretty for 2020 to grab the loony fringe of the GOP in what will likely again be a crowded field as 2016 was which will split the moderate vote.. leaving the nominee the one who grabs the plurality vote...bat-sh*t crazy wing of the GOP. Trump go it this time, it would have gone to Cruz this year otherwise.

good times ahead for us.

micky wrote: yep... and he is sitting pretty for 2020 to grab the loony fringe of the GOP in what will likely again be a crowded field as 2016 was which will split the moderate vote.. leaving the nominee the one who grabs the plurality vote...bat-sh*t crazy wing of the GOP. Trump go it this time, it would have gone to Cruz this year otherwise. good times ahead for us.

Yeah I doubt it shakes up quite like that. Four years is a long time.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: micky wrote: yep... and he is sitting pretty for 2020 to grab the loony fringe of the GOP in what will likely again be a crowded field as 2016 was which will split the moderate vote.. leaving the nominee the one who grabs the plurality vote...bat-sh*t crazy wing of the GOP. Trump go it this time, it would have gone to Cruz this year otherwise. good times ahead for us. Yeah I doubt it shakes up quite like that. Four years is a long time.

sure...  perhaps in those 4 years we begin to see the defection of the rational moderate wing of that party to the Libertarians.  It is going to happen IMO... but so soon? I hope NOT   I count on at least a decade of padding the Supreme Court with justices that see the Constituion as a living breating document.. not set in stone.  At best I hope for that before a viable 2nd party emerges from the ashes of the Republican Party as it has come to exist.  One that accepts America is not a white, fundamentalist christian nation state and minorities and other religions are going to make up a large part of it.

oh I don't buy that all Pat...  the difference between a Democrat and Republican.

My old Poli-Sci professor said it best...

Democrats (and those that support them) look at the common good
Republicans (and those that support them) look at personal gain

agree or not... the difference go well beyond what family you are born into.

what happened during the primaries.  I thought that was obvious.

you had a bunch of moderate, rational candidates who split the ..ummm.. rational thinking share of the Republican eletorate.
However.. thanks to certain things..  there exists a large part of the party that does not think, ponder, consider... only hate and fear.  Did they care that Trump was shown to be completely unfit for holding the Presidency.. zero experience... a failed business man.. a bigot.. racist..  misogynist.. Nope. ALl that mattered was ... well.. I'm not sure. For I can't even begin to think what enters those cretins minds. The only thing that matters...and what happened... and what happened is you see the real problem in America today.  Hyper-partisanship and demonization of those who aren't in your tribal camp.  Did it matter if Trump, a mentally unstable man might have the finger on the nuclear button... nope.. what mattered was he wasn't a democrat.

that is what happened. Common sense.. picking the best candidate has slowly been eroding and this year... the dam collapsed. Tribal polktics.. .us ot them.. hyper-parisanship finally won out over people using their goddamned minds and brains.

Fox news and talk radio have propagated the hate and fear and anger... of Democrats, of strong intelleigent women, gays, non FUNDY christians.....and to no ones surprise...  it came to roose this year and overwhelemed the common sense of the Republican electorate.

IMO that is what happened... and for 2020.. does anyone expect that to change.  NO.. they will place the blame on Trump.. and still think they only lost because of Trump..  and will continue to persue the 'missing' white vote all because like 2012 where they thought a ham sandwich could defeat Obama.. or 2016 or a sh*t sandwich could defeat Clinton.. they will hang their hopes on 2020. Thinking they were THAT close to winning. Thus you have not seen the moving to the left of the GOP that they need to do to remain relevant in national politics. They always think this is the year they turn out the missing white vote.. this is the year the polls and numbers are products of a left wing bias.... whatever. 




Edited by micky - October 09 2016 at 08:54

Here's a nice story about the Trump footage and how WP came to break it first.

micky wrote: oh I don't buy that all Pat...  the difference between a Democrat and Republican. My old Poli-Sci professor said it best... Democrats (and those that support them) look at the common good Republicans (and those that support them) look at personal gain agree or not... the difference go well beyond what family you are born into. what happened during the primaries.  I thought that was obvious. you had a bunch of moderate, rational candidates who split the ..ummm.. rational thinking share of the Republican eletorate. However.. thanks to certain things..  there exists a large part of the party that does not think, ponder, consider... only hate and fear.  Did they care that Trump was shown to be completely unfit for holding the Presidency.. zero experience... a failed business man.. a bigot.. racist..  misogynist.. Nope. ALl that mattered was ... well.. I'm not sure. For I can't even begin to think what enters those cretins minds. The only thing that matters...and what happened... and what happened is you see the real problem in America today.  Hyper-partisanship and demonization of those who aren't in your tribal camp.  Did it matter if Trump, a mentally unstable man might have the finger on the nuclear button... nope.. what mattered was he wasn't a democrat. that is what happened. Common sense.. picking the best candidate has slowly been eroding and this year... the dam collapsed. Tribal polktics.. .us ot them.. hyper-parisanship finally won out over people using their goddamned minds and brains. Fox news and talk radio have propagated the hate and fear and anger... of Democrats, of strong intelleigent women, gays, non FUNDY christians.....and to no ones surprise...  it came to roose this year and overwhelemed the common sense of the Republican electorate. IMO that is what happened... and for 2020.. does anyone expect that to change.  NO.. they will place the blame on Trump.. and still think they only lost because of Trump..  and will continue to persue the 'missing' white vote all because like 2012 where they thought a ham sandwich could defeat Obama.. or 2016 or a sh*t sandwich could defeat Clinton.. they will hang their hopes on 2020. Thinking they were THAT close to winning. Thus you have not seen the moving to the left of the GOP that they need to do to remain relevant in national politics. They always think this is the year they turn out the missing white vote.. this is the year the polls and numbers are products of a left wing bias.... whatever.

Bad assumptions in bad models out. If you want to keep assuming that it's a marvel comic good guys vs bad guys you'll end up feeling like you're right a lot, but you won't really shake off much ignorance.

And I can't agree with your analysis of the primaries. It answers none of my questions and answers no questions at all. Campaign strategists don't become drooling morons because they agree to work for the Republican side vs Democrat side for a particular cycle. But if you see it that way then so be it.

Can I have your honest thoughts on HRC?