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I wasn't trying to be cruel......just could never get into that one.....but really I don't play any Yes after GFTO.
"That's too cruel!" is just a funny expression, like what Taggart says to Lyle in Blazing Saddles when the latter suggests they sic Mongo on Rockridge's new sheriff. I do get what you were trying to say. As for me, I never really considered AWBH anywhere near tantamount to a Yes album as it didn't have Squire on it.
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Four pages in so the album must've been a partial success
I've always loved side 1 and Quartet, then it weakens a bit, but I will never, and, for the life of me, can never, get into Teakbois. Utter rubbish, would love the album lots more without that try-hard Caribbean cacophony.........

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I think that, while there may be differing opinions on the album as a whole, we can all unite behind the idea that Teakbois is just appalling.
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The only thing I can say about you folks who don't love "Teakbois" is that some of ya didn't get it.
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Originally posted by Terrapin Station Terrapin Station wrote:

The only thing I can say about you folks who don't love "Teakbois" is that some of ya didn't get it.
If by "didn't get it" you mean not getting how it was a good idea to publish such a travesty, then you'd be right. 
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Originally posted by aglasshouse aglasshouse wrote:

Originally posted by Terrapin Station Terrapin Station wrote:

The only thing I can say about you folks who don't love "Teakbois" is that some of ya didn't get it.

If by "didn't get it" you mean not getting how it was a good idea to publish such a travesty, then you'd be right. 
That's the thing. I wish I hadn't gotten it (in the first place). Thank the Lord the rest of the album is warm and cuddly.
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I wouldn't say ABWH was a failure. It may be one of the weaker Yes albums, but still a good and appreciable work. Perhaps a bit too 80s-ish and synthy in sound, especially due to those Simmons hexagons which just don't sound like a real drum kit. Especially "Teakbois" is some sort of plastic Latin pop - the weakest piece of the whole album together with the piano ballad "The Meeting" which I never got into.
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Points: 383 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2016 at 11:49
(Hoping some people other than Bobby Dread got the joke)

Not that I don't love "Teakbois" though.
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Originally posted by WeepingElf WeepingElf wrote:

I wouldn't say ABWH was a failure. It may be one of the weaker Yes albums, but still a good and appreciable work. Perhaps a bit too 80s-ish and synthy in sound, especially due to those Simmons hexagons which just don't sound like a real drum kit. Especially "Teakbois" is some sort of plastic Latin pop - the weakest piece of the whole album together with the piano ballad "The Meeting" which I never got into.

 
I do hate Teakbois but love The Meeting. It's simple and peaceful. Nice piano.
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Just curious about this because I can't really begin to guess: can anyone specify what they hate about "Teakbois", preferably from a music-theoretical standpoint?
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Originally posted by aglasshouse aglasshouse wrote:

Originally posted by Terrapin Station Terrapin Station wrote:

The only thing I can say about you folks who don't love "Teakbois" is that some of ya didn't get it.

If by "didn't get it" you mean not getting how it was a good idea to publish such a travesty, then you'd be right. 
That's the thing. I wish I hadn't gotten it (in the first place). Thank the Lord the rest of the album is warm and cuddly.
Warm and cuddly I admit it is. I do put it on frequently even if critically I'm not a fan. 
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Originally posted by Terrapin Station Terrapin Station wrote:

Just curious about this because I can't really begin to guess: can anyone specify what they hate about "Teakbois", preferably from a music-theoretical standpoint?
Apart from the up-beat Caribbean vibe (quite uncharacteristic of these guys), you have the idiotic 'Bobby Dread And The Kool Running' section. Whatever happened to rearranging your liver to its solid mental grace ??
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Originally posted by Terrapin Station Terrapin Station wrote:

Just curious about this because I can't really begin to guess: can anyone specify what they hate about "Teakbois", preferably from a music-theoretical standpoint?
For me, it's Jon Anderson trying to sound like he can sing Caribbean music when he's from Accrington.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Terrapin Station Terrapin Station wrote:

Just curious about this because I can't really begin to guess: can anyone specify what they hate about "Teakbois", preferably from a music-theoretical standpoint?
Apart from the up-beat Caribbean vibe (quite uncharacteristic of these guys),
I don't think it's that uncharacteristic for Jon Anderson though--it always seemed more like a (more elaborate than normal) Jon Anderson solo track to me.  Anyway, so you just categorically dislike upbeat Caribbean vibes?  Or you don't like things that aren't characteristic? 
Quote you have the idiotic 'Bobby Dread And The Kool Running' section. Whatever happened to rearranging your liver to its solid mental grace ??
Which is just about the lyrics?

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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Terrapin Station Terrapin Station wrote:

Just curious about this because I can't really begin to guess: can anyone specify what they hate about "Teakbois", preferably from a music-theoretical standpoint?
For me, it's Jon Anderson trying to sound like he can sing Caribbean music when he's from Accrington.
So you want it to sound "authentic" if it's going to be done rather than be an idiosyncratic, proggy take on those influences?
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Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe was more Yes than Yes at the time.

Union was more of a failure. I remember playing Union going WTF this? And I had a double live cd from ABWH wich was refreshing, sounding good and wouldn't consider it to be a failure. Altough the name was commercial suicide. But a lot of 90's names were awful (Martin Turner's Wishbone Ash, Barclay James Harvest through the eyes of John Lees, etc. etc.)
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Originally posted by Terrapin Station Terrapin Station wrote:

The only thing I can say about you folks who don't love "Teakbois" is that some of ya didn't get it.
 
There's always one.
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Points: 15916 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2016 at 06:44
Originally posted by Terrapin Station Terrapin Station wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Terrapin Station Terrapin Station wrote:

Just curious about this because I can't really begin to guess: can anyone specify what they hate about "Teakbois", preferably from a music-theoretical standpoint?
Apart from the up-beat Caribbean vibe (quite uncharacteristic of these guys),
I don't think it's that uncharacteristic for Jon Anderson though--it always seemed more like a (more elaborate than normal) Jon Anderson solo track to me.  Anyway, so you just categorically dislike upbeat Caribbean vibes?  Or you don't like things that aren't characteristic? 
Quote you have the idiotic 'Bobby Dread And The Kool Running' section. Whatever happened to rearranging your liver to its solid mental grace ??
Which is just about the lyrics?

I love Caribbean vibes - been there several times - love the music !! Just not when the Yes guys are trying so hard and sounding silly at doing it. False and pretentious. Something akin to UB 40.
Besides, I don't skip it - I don't (usually) skip any track on an album, no matter how lame it is, and I can hear the guys had some fun with it, but it really sticks out like a sore thumb, and somewhat awkward. And in this case, it's too long.
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Teakbois is bad for the same reason Illegal Alien is.
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Originally posted by aglasshouse aglasshouse wrote:

Teakbois is bad for the same reason Illegal Alien is.
But "Illegal Alien" is a great tune.
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