New Bands and Artists suggestion has disappeared

Don't know whether this is actually a bug or a bit of admin censorship, but the suggestion from 30th January this year by forum member Usire to include Rudé Kostry in Crossover (http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=105684), which I posted in this afternoon to let folks know that the band's main page had been created (http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9901) - but that it needed the two albums adding to complete it - has now completely disappeared from the site with the error: "There are no posts in the database relating to this topic" being returned when I try to access it.

Hi, sorry for my belated reply but the Admin Team consider it's kinda controversial entry so now a pending case ... the thread is still alive but David, your post has been hidden temporarily.

since when have albums being OOP/unavailable made an artist 'controversial' If that had stopped the genre teams back in the day  you could have sliced off a sizeable chuck of the database for those thread/dicussions would have been hidden. This is database.. nothing more.. nothing less. And not simply one of albums still in print today.

besides.. as we all know.. controversial additions are by nature.. interesting ones.  One should be encouraging those discussions.. not shutting them down or hiding them.. encouraging interest in the database thus the general forum auto-cruise and one stop shop for prog forum trolling the site has been become.


Edited by micky - September 07 2016 at 10:32

yam yam wrote: I understand that the reason for the controversy is that the two albums are no longer available to purchase commercially...

Guys

As part of the clean-up that is currently being undertaken within Crossover, I am trying to get everything correct within PF, and adding bands that have been cleared by the team. Please can someone advise what is going on with these guys? (bear in mind I'm only just back).

If they have been removed from PA, can someone let us know why that action has been undertaken, and either respond to this thread or in Crossover so that we can understand what we are supposed to do next? Thanks

yam yam wrote: The original suggestion thread was made visible again a couple of weeks after it was hidden, with Keishiro adding this comment: DamoXt7942 wrote: They've not released any physical album nor downloadable one except free ones ... cannot be included to PA library yet. Please let us know if they release in a commercial manner. My own post announcing that the artist had been added to the database is now shaded in grey with the words 'Pending Approval' lightly stamped below the text: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=105684&PID=5367736#5367736. I'm still a bit baffled because we have added plenty of bandcamp artists here in the past who have made their music available either as 'free download' or 'name your price', so why is Rudé Kostry  any different?  I guess he will just have to bide his time in the 'cleared' area on progfreak - either that or maybe move him to 'discuss' for now, though it appears that since the artist hasn't been active during the last six years, the matter will most likely never actually reach a conclusion based on Keishiro's last comment (above).

I wasn't aware that a cost element was required. My understand was that for a band to be included then the following applied:-

please only suggest bands that have released at least one album and are compatible with our definition of an "official release." If the band is signed to a label, it is almost guaranteed this band fits this definition, but if the band is self-signed, please ensure that the band has recorded their music professionally or in a professional manner and has their music available for purchase or download from a respected source.

My view is quite simple - if it is determined by Admin that they are not to be included, then we should remove them from the PF Crossover chart and the matter is closed. Please can someone confirm that this is still the case, and I will take the appropriate action in PF. Putting them into Discuss doesn't really achieve anything...

kev rowland wrote: yam yam wrote: The original suggestion thread was made visible again a couple of weeks after it was hidden, with Keishiro adding this comment: DamoXt7942 wrote: They've not released any physical album nor downloadable one except free ones ... cannot be included to PA library yet. Please let us know if they release in a commercial manner. My own post announcing that the artist had been added to the database is now shaded in grey with the words 'Pending Approval' lightly stamped below the text: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=105684&PID=5367736#5367736. I'm still a bit baffled because we have added plenty of bandcamp artists here in the past who have made their music available either as 'free download' or 'name your price', so why is Rudé Kostry  any different?  I guess he will just have to bide his time in the 'cleared' area on progfreak - either that or maybe move him to 'discuss' for now, though it appears that since the artist hasn't been active during the last six years, the matter will most likely never actually reach a conclusion based on Keishiro's last comment (above).  I wasn't aware that a cost element was required. My understand was that for a band to be included then the following applied:- please only suggest bands that have released at least one album and are compatible with our definition of an "official release." If the band is signed to a label, it is almost guaranteed this band fits this definition, but if the band is self-signed, please ensure that the band has recorded their music professionally or in a professional manner and has their music available for purchase or download from a respected source. My view is quite simple - if it is determined by Admin that they are not to be included, then we should remove them from the PF Crossover chart and the matter is closed. Please can someone confirm that this is still the case, and I will take the appropriate action in PF. Putting them into Discuss doesn't really achieve anything...

The question about this band was brought up to us by Louis himself because he was having trouble adding a band that was difficult to find covers and album info and who only had their albums available on their site, not in a purchasable/free album form but literally in the form of impractical links of each song to an mp3 file that you would have to get at with 'save target as'.

This doesn't change anything about the suggestion policy, unsigned bands with prog music recorded in a quality manner and on a official release are still welcome, we just got involved in this case because we think that some cases of unsigned bands should be just let go if teams have so much trouble getting the info right. There are different levels of being an unsigned artists if you will.

historian9 wrote: kev rowland wrote: yam yam wrote: The original suggestion thread was made visible again a couple of weeks after it was hidden, with Keishiro adding this comment: DamoXt7942 wrote: They've not released any physical album nor downloadable one except free ones ... cannot be included to PA library yet. Please let us know if they release in a commercial manner. My own post announcing that the artist had been added to the database is now shaded in grey with the words 'Pending Approval' lightly stamped below the text: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=105684&PID=5367736#5367736. I'm still a bit baffled because we have added plenty of bandcamp artists here in the past who have made their music available either as 'free download' or 'name your price', so why is Rudé Kostry  any different?  I guess he will just have to bide his time in the 'cleared' area on progfreak - either that or maybe move him to 'discuss' for now, though it appears that since the artist hasn't been active during the last six years, the matter will most likely never actually reach a conclusion based on Keishiro's last comment (above).  I wasn't aware that a cost element was required. My understand was that for a band to be included then the following applied:- please only suggest bands that have released at least one album and are compatible with our definition of an "official release." If the band is signed to a label, it is almost guaranteed this band fits this definition, but if the band is self-signed, please ensure that the band has recorded their music professionally or in a professional manner and has their music available for purchase or download from a respected source. My view is quite simple - if it is determined by Admin that they are not to be included, then we should remove them from the PF Crossover chart and the matter is closed. Please can someone confirm that this is still the case, and I will take the appropriate action in PF. Putting them into Discuss doesn't really achieve anything... The question about this band was brought up to us by Louis himself because he was having trouble adding a band that was difficult to find covers and album info and who only had their albums available on their site, not in a purchasable/free album form but literally in the form of impractical links of each song to an mp3 file that you would have to get at with 'save target as'. This doesn't change anything about the suggestion policy, unsigned bands with prog music recorded in a quality manner and on a official release are still welcome, we just got involved in this case because we think that some cases of unsigned bands should be just let go if teams have so much trouble getting the info right. There are different levels of being an unsigned artists if you will.

"Since these albums are not available from normal retail sources, the official band website address of where the download can be obtained should be listed in the "Releases information" section of the album page. To clarify for the hard of comprehending: this should be a link to the band/artist website page that contains the link to the download location rather than the direct download link itself."

Edited by Dean - January 26 2017 at 05:12

Thanks guys - I've removed the artist from our cleared charts