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Posted: August 07 2016 at 06:55
lazland wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
lazland wrote:
I do not advocate revolution, never have. You basically replace one bureaucracy with another. What I do advocate is real change. A political system which is honest. A political system which gives the populis real choice. A political system which is representative of the people, and not the establishment, corporate, political, or by birth. The present system is failing. It is also broken. We still have a system which is, in its fundamentals, based on the Roman model of over two centuries ago. Time for a change, methinks, and, as I said in the Brexit thread, I sense that that change will come. I pray it will be a peaceful one, and I pray that things will improve. I genuinely believe that they will, because humanity is capable of great things and, above all, surviving and adapting. Something a religious person and an atheist can absolutely agree on
Why not, though? I don't mean a full blooded revolution with a violent overthrowing of government itself. But I do believe a fundamental change in the politics of a country itself does not come without change.
I was talking about not advocating violent insurrections, coups, military takeovers, and etc., not peaceful change, and, sorry, I thought that was pretty obvious from the comments which followed the first sentence.
Wasn't to me, which is why I asked. Thanks for clearing up.
Joined: April 11 2014
Location: Kyiv In Spirit
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Posted: August 08 2016 at 04:41
Dean wrote:
Frankly the only two sh*ts I couldn't give is whether anyone is offended that as a foreigner I have the temerity to have an opinion on American politics (or on the grammatical logic of common American idioms come to that - but hey-ho, thankfully it's not my job to teach Americans how to speak their adopted non-native language).
Dean, for the record, no one told you to but out, especially me. You bowed out on our discussion with the typically immature statement of "I'm out", of which I could do nothing but agree. I found your "scrap the system" stance to be unreasonable for America, and felt no further discussion between us was necessary.
Then you went off half cocked and came up with your own definition of "agreeing to disagree" which is a only a polite way to say that we've failed to come up with a consensus on the matter. I didn't see any point in responding back to you at that time, as I didn't want to engage with you over something so absurd.
You have the right to express your opinions on the matter that we we're discussing, the same as I have right to express that they are daft. I hope this clears up the turmoil you initiated by flippantly stating "I'm out." It seems that it's quite alright for you to act disrespectfully, but not receive the same in return.
^well said Dean, poverty in politics, it is not the best America can do and Americans damn well know it.
Well, unfortunately we accept poverty in living, (helped by a poverty in economic thought!) so least we're consistent!
But yeah, it's shameful what our political system has become. Doubly sad, it's clear there are basically 4/5 legitimate parties forming from our current 2.
Wish we could just sit down and have a big talk, hammer all this sh*t out, set it up with new rules and let's get to it.
Joined: September 30 2006
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Posted: September 15 2016 at 19:03
Yeah. Paradise ain't what it's cracked up to be. After having lived in a much more friendly, community-oriented, beautiful place than I am now, I think I'd rather keep a nice little apartment in Hell than a sprawling estate in Heaven. But I guess that's just me.
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
Joined: September 03 2006
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Posted: September 16 2016 at 20:20
Paranoid_Empire wrote:
Is wanting a large culling of humanity and maintaining a stable and healthy sized population political or just lost common sense?
You don't need to want it. The robots are coming and given sufficient time, we may be looking at mass unemployment and, as a result, starvation. After all, not every country can afford to keep handing out welfare to the unemployed and even those that can will find tougher as revenue drops. Just hope you are not part of the automated culling you so fervently wish for.
Joined: October 02 2005
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Posted: September 17 2016 at 17:32
Atavachron wrote:
Yeah. Paradise ain't what it's cracked up to be. After having lived in a much more friendly, community-oriented, beautiful place than I am now, I think I'd rather keep a nice little apartment in Hell than a sprawling estate in Heaven. But I guess that's just me.
there is a certain excitement to living in hell I'll give you that...... like coming home to the spawn of Satan after a hard day's work, finding it wearing a shear teddy and wondering if it is going to spout horns and fangs and you are going to have to dodge pots and pans for either getting home too early... or working too late... or if it is just happy to see you and you are about to get your brains screwed out before sucking out your soul as a price of admission.
Ahh hell.... never a dull moment.
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
Joined: October 02 2005
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Posted: September 17 2016 at 17:59
amen brother David! Life 24/7 on the edge was the sh*t. Though I have no complaints about life today. The dangers of the job is edge enough these days. You do tend to appreciate heaven more for having been through hell.
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
Joined: September 25 2016
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 19:33
Generally left-wing. I find a lot of modern radical-leftists online and in real life to be incredibly annoying and odious, but often the thoughts that lie behind the toxicity of the people involved are good thoughts, so I guess I lean pretty far left.
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lazland wrote:
Life 24/7 on the edge was the sh*t. Though I have no complaints about life today. The dangers of the job is edge enough these days. You do tend to appreciate heaven more for having been through hell. 