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CPicard
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Posted: August 18 2016 at 11:29 |
I wouldn't fight for France, Paris can burn. I just hope the invaders would wait for the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Italians, etc... to get their ancient artworks given bak before bombing the Louvre.
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AZF
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Posted: August 18 2016 at 11:35 |
Other. Voted "No" because as far as I can see the governments* are still blackmailed over paedophilia. I'd fight a war to get rid of the Monarchy and bring over half the government to trial, but that's about it. Oh and remember the Serbian conflict yours and our troops were involved in? You must be so pleased to see Slobodan Milosevic being found innocent (after dying in prison). The amount of money, resources and it wasn't as big as Iraq or Afghanistan! If Milosevic is found innocent, you are aware one of these days (Probably a few decades or even a Century away) Osama will be absolved of involvement with 9/11? How inconvenient would that be? I used to say I support the people but not the institutions of this country. But these days, I don't even support them! So I'll take imprisonment over conscription, and luckily my beard will make my incarcerated conversion to "Islam" that much easier on my arse!
*= All over the world!
Edited by AZF - August 18 2016 at 11:36
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Barbu
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Posted: August 18 2016 at 11:42 |
In the 2010's and take a bullet in the back from my brothers in arms, no thanks.
Normandie in June 1944 par contre...you bet!
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aglasshouse
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Posted: August 18 2016 at 11:55 |
Pacifistic loser.
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rushfan4
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Posted: August 18 2016 at 21:57 |
Overseas. No. If there were an invasion of the US then yes, I would defend my country. I suspect at my size and speed I would make pretty easy target practice for any invaders but I would do what I could. Sadly the best they would get out of me is a paper pusher who would be discharged with a nasty paper cut. I wouldn't be much good as a Red Dawn type.
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Dean
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Posted: August 18 2016 at 23:29 |
American's seem pretty good at killing each other without anyone needing to invade them, if we wait a few years we'll be able to walk in and take the colonies back without firing a single shot.
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SteveG
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Posted: August 19 2016 at 03:53 |
Dean wrote:
American's seem pretty good at killing each other without anyone needing to invade them, if we wait a few years we'll be able to walk in and take the colonies back without firing a single shot. |
True to an extent, but you'll never get past the group that remains in Bronx, NY.
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SteveG
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Posted: August 19 2016 at 04:03 |
I have a lot of trouble with the poll question "No, I'm a coward", as if pacifism is only for the skittish. I make no claims of bravery, but many, many years ago, in a flash of a moment without even thinking, I jumped in on a group of older teenagers who 'ganged up' on one frightened homeless street kid. I drove them off by swinging a crutch as I had just injured my ankle a few days earlier. A few years later, I adopted the street youth and he remains a loyal son. There are many stories like this from so called cowards. It's not a matter of fear to resist fighting, but principle. America has involved itself with few just wars since WWII, and that will always play a significant roll in the "will you fight for your country" question for Americans.
Edited by SteveG - August 19 2016 at 04:07
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: August 19 2016 at 04:25 |
My country slaves me for all I'm worth, I pay taxes, I am part of the 'workforce' and I get peanuts for all the stress and strain - why would I stake my life on the line for a pack of a-holes ?? They couldn't give two sh*ts about me.......... (my 2-bobs worth)
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manofmystery
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Posted: August 19 2016 at 06:53 |
The only way to fight for my country, at this point, would be to fight against its government
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 19 2016 at 10:07 |
Good poll, good question & not an easy one... However I'd like to say "yes, I'd sign up to defend my country in the case of a direct threat to the UK", my probable reaction, given my pacifist cowardly nature? Luckily, being an arthritic 53 year old, the situation is unlikely to occur, unless of course:
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rushfan4
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lazland
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Posted: August 19 2016 at 11:44 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Good poll, good question & not an easy one...
However I'd like to say "yes, I'd sign up to defend my country in the case of a direct threat to the UK", my probable reaction, given my pacifist cowardly nature?
Luckily, being an arthritic 53 year old, the situation is unlikely to occur, unless of course:
| well, as an arthritic 53 year old, that rules out the Stupid Boy for you, Jim. Who would you be?
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A Person
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Posted: August 19 2016 at 12:24 |
I can't even enlist because I'm on antidepressants, so I don't have much to worry about.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 22 2016 at 02:58 |
lazland wrote:
well, as an arthritic 53 year old, that rules out the Stupid Boy for you, Jim. Who would you be? | However much I'd like to reply Sgt Wilson, I'm more like Pte Godfrey (at least I'm a trained first-aider)
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: August 22 2016 at 11:53 |
I served 12 years in the U.S. Marine Corps so although I never served in combat I guess I have to say 'yes' and ignore the modifiers added to that poll option.
That said I understand and respect anyone who chooses not to serve or who finds moral, religious or other objecion, as long as they afford the same respect of choice for those who did or do serve.
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
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Catcher10
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Posted: August 22 2016 at 12:21 |
I never served a day of my life in the military...damn straight I would fight for my country.
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Epignosis
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Posted: August 22 2016 at 18:44 |
I'd fight. I'd make more money than I would breaking up fights.
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Finnforest
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Posted: August 22 2016 at 19:22 |
Epignosis wrote:
I'd fight.
I'd make more money than I would breaking up fights.
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Still in education, eh Rob? God bless you man for your efforts.
Edited by Finnforest - August 22 2016 at 19:24
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SteveG
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Posted: August 23 2016 at 04:09 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
I served 12 years in the U.S. Marine Corps so although I never served in combat I guess I have to say 'yes' and ignore the modifiers added to that poll option.
That said I understand and respect anyone who chooses not to serve or who finds moral, religious or other objecion, as long as they afford the same respect of choice for those who did or do serve.
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This a key point, Bob. My brother and cousins served in Nam and my nephew served in Iraq (he joined up). I may be in the minority on this one, but I personally don't know anyone who has ever condemned military personal for doing their jobs or for making such great personal sacrifices. Heroes are heroes, it's that simple.
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