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Catcher10 
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17847 |
 Posted: July 28 2016 at 20:21 |
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Wow..did not know you were the political know it all, I missed that memo....My bad, I bow to your political analytical greatness. I now know one thing about politics. |
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The T
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: July 28 2016 at 21:03 |
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Good. One > Zero
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micky
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833 |
Posted: July 28 2016 at 22:10 |
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oh fun
 hey another thing you might learn... though not at Foxnews or whereever you get your education http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/presumption_of_innocence another part of cheerished American values you all want to trash just so you can win an election.. guess so.. big difference between making a mistake, and criminal activity/intent. Remember man.. the one who decided not to charge her.. is a red blooded Republican.. not some Clinton henchman. Give him props for recognizing the difference between real criminal activity.. and a poitical witchhunt... |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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CPicard
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Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 07:20 |
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Being a pessimist and having less and less hope and faith in mankind, I think that Trump might win, just like French voters could vote for a "Republicain" president and a lot of "Front National" deputees, just like Russians endorse Putin, just like Hungarians and Polish enjoy their own leaders, just like Indians vote for the BJP, etc...
Or maybe I just should go and see my psychiatrist to give some treatment against depression and bad mood.  |
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TeleStrat
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Joined: December 27 2014 Location: Norwalk, CA Status: Offline Points: 9319 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 09:32 |
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I have no use for the Electoral College and especially in "winner take all" states.
I have always thought that an election should be determined by popular vote. You have two candidates, registered voters go to their polling places and vote for one or the other. When the polls close the votes are counted and the candidate with the most votes wins. What is so hard about that? If "popular vote" was the only method used then the political establishment would no longer be able to tip the scales or try to control the outcome. You know that's never going to happen.
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 09:35 |
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I would like the electoral college system to be done away with, but with a big other change too:
Make election day a national holiday |
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TeleStrat
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Joined: December 27 2014 Location: Norwalk, CA Status: Offline Points: 9319 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 09:57 |
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I have no problem making it a holiday (if you were being serious) because another issue I have is the time difference between the east coast and the west coast.
It is not uncommon for Californians to come home from work, turn on the news to see who's winning and then decide if they are going to vote or not. Voter turnout has always been poor at best. In the last eight cycles the turnout has been between the low fifty per cent to the mid sixty per cent. That is unacceptable. Why give people one more reason to stay at home and not vote. But none of that matters as long as we have the electoral college because we may as well stay home since someone else is voting for us anyway.
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Catcher10
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17847 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 09:59 |
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I don't think he will win, do I want him to win?? Look it's the lesser of two evils and really who do I dislike more, the other will get my vote. Clearly neither is qualified to sit in the WH, what will get Hillary there is this plan has been in the works for years. Trump and anyone else who thought about running, had no plan in place to make this happen like she did. If Trump campaign makes no effort to sway the Bern voters, millennials, he will have little to zero chance.....The history is set that the voter will always choose a professional politician if given a choice, its the easy way out. The only chance Trump has is that even the Dems don't like Hillary, so many people dislike her for many reasons, if she falls on her face in some way again with the email thing or something else, that is the only way Trump can get her votes, but all have excused her and I doubt anything will happen. So many are sick and tired of the same ole same ole with these politicians, but the majority is too scared to vote any other way, and really the media is so powerful in these cases to make people feel "wrong" for not voting for a politician, I don't think it will ever happen. Everyone should be prepared for another 4 yrs of the same ole same ole......
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Barbu
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Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30850 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 10:54 |
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C'mon, this clown have zero chance.
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TeleStrat
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Joined: December 27 2014 Location: Norwalk, CA Status: Offline Points: 9319 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 12:05 |
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Trump was never my choice from the beginning. He just happened to be the one that tapped into the growing movement of citizens who have had enough of business as usual insider politics.
Millions of Americans are fed up with the way the country is being run and the direction it is going in. They want to change this direction before it reaches the point of no return and the damage being done can no longer be corrected. They want security because after all the number one job of the government and the president is to protect this country and it's citizens. Everything else comes second. Instead we have a president who refuses to acknowledge the enemy that has sworn to kill us all. When you see large protests in the Middle East they are not burning Mexican flags or chanting "death to Canadians". What we get is Obama telling us (for the 100th time) that Islam is a religion of peace and that painting all Muslims with a terrorist brush is not what we are as Americans. Well, no sh*t. I'm really glad that he cleared that up. Has there been a pattern of mosque bombings or a spike in anti Muslim hate crimes here in the US? Obama is going out of his way to prevent a situation that doesn't exist in the first place. ISIS is a cancer and you can't negotiate with or live with a growing cancer. It has to be completely cut out and then monitored regularly to see that it doesn't grow back. Video game type drone strikes won't cut it. What we will get with Clinton is more of the same. She has made it clear from the beginning that she has no problems with Obama's policies and plans on continuing along the same lines. She has a good chance of winning in November and then the whole country will lose. Trump will be gone but the movement that he did not start will not go away. They will be back every election cycle so get used to them. |
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A Person
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Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 12:07 |
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ISIS isn't anywhere near the biggest threat the US faces, though.
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TeleStrat
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Joined: December 27 2014 Location: Norwalk, CA Status: Offline Points: 9319 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 12:30 |
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Anywhere near? Where do you place ISIS on the list of threats that America faces?
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 12:39 |
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Interrupting, about # 10
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timothy leary
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Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 12:47 |
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# 1.......Hillary Clinton
# 2.......Donald Trump # 3........The environment # 4........civil war # 5........oxycontin
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 12:55 |
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Actually I don't think can face a "threat" as the fear mongers sell (and man does it sell well). Unless it's from an external enemy like another invading nation, which threatens the actual political existence of a country and or nation-state, a country cannot face a "threat". Its citizens can. And a country may have a myriad of problems and things to be fixed. But a threat? That's wording used by merchants of fear who know that fear, just like sex, sells really well.
Having said that, since Trump winning could possibly cause the collapse of the United States of America as a geo-political entity, I'd say he IS actually a "threat". Now, being more generous with the term, ok, "threats" of more real danger than ISIS are climate change (which threatens our way of life and even the state I live in), income inequality, which also threatens to disrupt the entire capitalist system, and a few more. ISIS as a single group is not a big threat. Religious Fundamentalism is a threat, that one I can agree with. Not just Muslim, but Christian too.
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micky
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 14:13 |
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hey.. I want to play!!
agreed... Isis is a danger.. we face FAR worse.. the top 5 dangers facing the United States according to the Big Mick 1) bigots, racists, nativists and christian fundemantism. More of danger to America and what it stands for than any f**king Terrorist can manage. 2) an ignorant apathetic electorate who don't bother to educate themselves before sticking their feet in the ballot box! 3) civil war.. oh make no mistake we are in one... just fought for now in the political arena.. biut already some (on both sides) are taking it the next level. Outright violence. It the vacating of the middle, decades ago by the right, and VERy soon to come for HIllary will be the last of the centrist Democratics.. the Democrtic Party. Moving both parties.. and their supporters even farther from finding any common ground. 4) IPA beers 5) prog rock... |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Rivertree
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Honorary Collaborator / Band Submissions Joined: March 22 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 17627 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 14:43 |
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I'm quite sure the Clintons will make ist.
However, a choice between millionaires/billionaires is not a real choice actually ... Edited by Rivertree - July 29 2016 at 14:45 |
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 14:46 |
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micky
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 14:49 |
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I blame Raff for that..
 oh wait... no.. too much Ian Anderson.   Edited by micky - July 29 2016 at 14:50 |
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: July 29 2016 at 14:54 |
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Actually the last Dream Theater album is more of a threat to humanity than any Yes or Tull... Coming from me you know it's the truth... believe me (it's a disaster of Trumpian proportions)
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