American Politics the 2016 edition

It's a very Clinton-esque pick. Safe, boring, moderate, and an absolute Clinton devotee

Not really a fan. I personally would've preferred Tom Perez. He was an early advocate for the $15 min wage, created the new rule that would expand OT pay to millions of workers, and has pretty liberal credentials, but is quiet, safe and clearly experienced. Has ties to Obama, obviously, and would not cost the Democrats a senate seat. It would be a move that makes the liberal base happy, while Kaine is clearly an attempt to reach out to moderates and a more national base.

I can't fault the move, with Trump alienating most sane people I get wanting to grab as many as you can. really I just don't think the VP means very much to people. To me it's more a look into the candidate's psyche, as you say it's symbolic. 

My only real beef is he's been a supporter of TPP and banking deregulation. So not feeling it, but also not surprised, nor am I particularly upset about it...but deff not happy.

That is a good point.  She needs someone who will help her get business done in Congress.  Yeah, I was thinking maybe a more Left leaning appointee to make sure the Bernie votes stay and also to blunt what is likely to be Trump's first line of attack.  

Well I DID say the VP isn't really a big deal and that "Im not particularly upset about it" And that I can't fault the move. Was just opining that I personally would've preferred Tom Perez. 

I just feel the people don't super care about VP, so the playing safe/strategy thing I just don't know if it matters. Seems to me VP's from critical swing states or for balance etc etc don't really seem to sway people much is all. But yeah it's not a big deal. 

Well no doubt about all that, what the Sanders movement needs to do is elect progressives to congress, and support policies vocally to keep the pressure on. The President isn't a monarch, Congress is honestly perhaps more important so absolutely what Sanders has always said "regardless of outcome it wont end in November" is 100% spot on. 

And well...maybe to some. Most of the reasons I heard for not feeling the Bern were generally weak/crap and basically boiled down to a lot of wrong ideas. However, since he has done absolutely everything right the last 2 days I've been trying to do the same. Basically starting to wind down and accepting the time to move on. I hope Clinton supporters do the same I'm still seeing many condescending, often jab like comments, and that sh*t better end. I applaud Biden for his words to Clintonites...to treat the Sanders crowd with dignity and basically allow us time and space to grieve and move on...an oh so subtle reminder to 2008 where the Clinton crowd was hotter that boiling, but with time they were able to cool off and move forward with Obama. 

Seeing and hearing Sanders again, and the actual moment finally arriving, has gotten me to cool off and I am now strongly reconsidering my vote for Jill Stein. Now that the anger is settling I came to realize what  I said above: we need a congress, and this movement has only just begun...and trying to squeeze through a small hole, is better than trying to squeeze through a solid wall. For the sole purpose of achieving a progressive agenda, Clinton is the better option, even if it results in nada, better than regression. Also if he went through all this, but still had the ability to continue on praising and backing Clinton, even calling out the "bernie or bust" crowd and begging we vote Clinton, if he is able to move on I am ready to do so too. So Clinton people, the DNC and etc really should continue to give us peace and hold up their end, because I'm still quite wobbly as I climb onto the fence and can tip back over to the Green side