Shooting in Munich, Germany

I don't think you have to worry about sexual stimuli if you're an Islamic extremist.
After all, all you have to do is hit the button in a crowd and wham!: instant pedophile.

Topic too sensitive for a joke.

Oh surely, someone must be offended on behalf of someone? Come on, people!

^ Aren't terrorists merely people offended to the extreme? I can't stand your mode of living so much that I have to kill you, your family and your friends, even if I've never met you, or your way of life doesn't impinge on my life at all. Just the thought of you living your life the way you want to, and not the way I think you should live your life, makes me sick.

We've all seen this movie and we're sick of it. Solo wacko or mass wackos, it all results in the same ending.

^ Ah, our new resident fear-monger.  Welcome to the party.

Sardonite Calamity wrote: Again! Muslim Terrorists! If its not Islam then I don't know what the fk it is!

1. the thread is on an incident with a perpetrator with no religious motivation.
2. if you are referring to the machete attack there is no stated religious motivation.

First of all, I must admit that this is an emotional response, after this latest attack I’m not nearly calm enough for a measured reply. I am very, very angry.

I have lived in Germany for many decades now and have therefore been living in a civilized, safe environment and society. This now appears to be over.

The mornings now consist of getting up and scanning the news headlines, not so much as to read about any new world developments, but wondering if a new attack has happened on my home soil, where this happened, and how many casualties there have been. I expect this now.

This is the country in which I now live.

When the refugees first arrived, I belonged to the faction that supported the decision of the German government to help these people; it was the civilized and humane thing to do. I supported this view vehemently until very recently. I couldn’t understand the other European countries closing their borders and refusing entry to all these poor people seeking shelter and help from war and destruction in their own countries.

Now I am forced to admit that they were right and I was wrong.

The problem is that I still firmly believe that the vast majority of refugees are frightened and helpless people who need support after a terrible ordeal, and there are relatively few who pose a threat or danger, but it’s these few who are threatening me and my friends’ and family’s personal safety. The comforting feeling of safety is gone, the war has now been moved to my home turf.

I know I may be overreacting; as I said earlier, this is an emotional response, but I no longer feel 100% safe in our own cities. My response is to eye foreigners I pass everywhere with careful suspicion, something I’ve never done before. It’s an unconscious reflex response. I don’t want it to be that way, but I can’t help it. It’s not really that I suspect some of them to go berserk all of a sudden, but wondering if I’m unlucky enough to come across one of those few who spell trouble. It could happen anywhere, anytime. That’s the country I now live in. And because of that, I feel angry.

At the same time I realise that this is the intended response, so I also feel manipulated and bad about my own changing viewpoint.

I don’t think there is a solution. There is no opponent to talk to or no one with whom to come to an agreement, and the killing in the country in which I live will go on, becoming more and more common with each passing week.

The mistake has been made, the floodgates have been opened and the enemy that can’t be seen is walking among us, and it’s now a new country that is only beginning its downward spiral with no solution in sight. This sounds melodramatic, it probably is, but that’s the way I feel about it.

I can only hope that, given enough cause, this country won’t descend into vigilantism with angry mobs starting to roam the streets at night. Looking at the ghastly political developments with the far right parties on the rise, I don’t think this is very far away. After all, a few months back none of us would have thought it possible what’s happening here now.

Both God and Allah help us all.

Edited by npjnpj - July 25 2016 at 00:45

npjnpj wrote: First of all, I must admit that this is an emotional response, after this latest attack I’m not nearly calm enough for a measured reply. I am very, very angry. I have lived in Germany for many decades now and have therefore been living in a civilized, safe environment and society. This now appears to be over. The mornings now consist of getting up and scanning the news headlines, not so much as to read about any new world developments, but wondering if a new attack has happened on my home soil, where this happened, and how many casualties there have been. I expect this now. This is the country in which I now live. When the refugees first arrived, I belonged to the faction that supported the decision of the German government to help these people; it was the civilized and humane thing to do. I supported this view vehemently until very recently. I couldn’t understand the other European countries closing their borders and refusing entry to all these poor people seeking shelter and help from war and destruction in their own countries. Now I am forced to admit that they were right and I was wrong. The problem is that I still firmly believe that the vast majority of refugees are frightened and helpless people who need support after a terrible ordeal, and there are relatively few who pose a threat or danger, but it’s these few who are threatening me and my friends’ and family’s personal safety. The comforting feeling of safety is gone, the war has now been moved to my home turf. I know I may be overreacting; as I said earlier, this is an emotional response, but I no longer feel 100% safe in our own cities. My response is to eye foreigners I pass everywhere with careful suspicion, something I’ve never done before. It’s an unconscious reflex response. I don’t want it to be that way, but I can’t help it. It’s not really that I suspect some of them to go berserk all of a sudden, but wondering if I’m unlucky enough to come across one of those few who spell trouble. It could happen anywhere, anytime. That’s the country I now live in. And because of that, I feel angry. At the same time I realise that this is the intended response, so I also feel manipulated and bad about my own changing viewpoint. I don’t think there is a solution. There is no opponent to talk to or no one with whom to come to an agreement, and the killing in the country in which I live will go on, becoming more and more common with each passing week. The mistake has been made, the floodgates have been opened and the enemy that can’t be seen is walking among us, and it’s now a new country that is only beginning its downward spiral with no solution in sight. This sounds melodramatic, it probably is, but that’s the way I feel about it. I can only hope that, given enough cause, this country won’t descend into vigilantism with angry mobs starting to roam the streets at night. Looking at the ghastly political developments with the far right parties on the rise, I don’t think this is very far away. After all, a few months back none of us would have thought it possible what’s happening here now. Both God and Allah help us all.

I have been living in Germany since 1993. I don't share these feelings, but I understand them. I do however not support your conclusion "Now I am forced to admit that they were right and I was wrong". excuse me?

the Munich shootist was born and raised in Germany; he held German as well as Iranian citizenship. he does not have any connections to refugees at all. he was German period, just as I am German now. and everything points to him being someone running amok; there is no terrorist background at all. and I sincerely doubt his ethnicity has anything to do with his amok run.

as to the bombing in Arnsbach: nothing is known of the background of that bombing yet. it is therefore just jumping to conclusions as to the perpetrator(s) of that bombing.

so I don't see how you arrive at your conclusion


Edited by BaldJean - July 25 2016 at 02:05