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Points: 20616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2016 at 03:59
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All the far left people I talk to don't think much of Bernie tbh.
Mmm...far left as in liberal Democrats or Democratic Socialists? The latter don't particular care for Bernie personally, but he would have been a big foot in the door, and I can't see any Democratic Socialists not lamenting that lost possibility.
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Points: 20616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2016 at 04:03
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Great post Greg, but unfortunately most American Repubs (excluding those fluent in Chinese) would see the above as something similar to what's written below and fail to ever grasp it:
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Points: 65760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2016 at 08:40
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

All the far left people I talk to don't think much of Bernie tbh.
Mmm...far left as in liberal Democrats or Democratic Socialists? The latter don't particular care for Bernie personally, but he would have been a big foot in the door, and I can't see any Democratic Socialists not lamenting that lost possibility.

Yeah I mean socialists, communists, and anarchists when I say far left.
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Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

All the far left people I talk to don't think much of Bernie tbh.
Mmm...far left as in liberal Democrats or Democratic Socialists? The latter don't particular care for Bernie personally, but he would have been a big foot in the door, and I can't see any Democratic Socialists not lamenting that lost possibility.

Yeah I mean socialists, communists, and anarchists when I say far left.
Socialists, communists and anarchists are certainly far left, but are not far left Dems, and that's what a Socialist Democrat is. Your group are literally just far left without much democracy in their ideologies.
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Points: 65760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2016 at 12:43
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

All the far left people I talk to don't think much of Bernie tbh.
Mmm...far left as in liberal Democrats or Democratic Socialists? The latter don't particular care for Bernie personally, but he would have been a big foot in the door, and I can't see any Democratic Socialists not lamenting that lost possibility.

Yeah I mean socialists, communists, and anarchists when I say far left.
Socialists, communists and anarchists are certainly far left, but are not far left Dems, and that's what a Socialist Democrat is. Your group are literally just far left without much democracy in their ideologies.

Social democrats are liberals, which is a further right ideology than socialism, because it is capitalist.
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Points: 8642 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2016 at 13:56
So Trump spent his post-convention press conference calling for Cruz's head and saying that he'll extort our allies for defense cash.

Pence spent the conference in Christie-My-God-What-Have-I-Done mode.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

All the far left people I talk to don't think much of Bernie tbh.
Mmm...far left as in liberal Democrats or Democratic Socialists? The latter don't particular care for Bernie personally, but he would have been a big foot in the door, and I can't see any Democratic Socialists not lamenting that lost possibility.

Yeah I mean socialists, communists, and anarchists when I say far left.
Socialists, communists and anarchists are certainly far left, but are not far left Dems, and that's what a Socialist Democrat is. Your group are literally just far left without much democracy in their ideologies.


Anarchists are not far left. They are simply far. That is the point of anarchism.
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Points: 65760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2016 at 17:23
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

All the far left people I talk to don't think much of Bernie tbh.
Mmm...far left as in liberal Democrats or Democratic Socialists? The latter don't particular care for Bernie personally, but he would have been a big foot in the door, and I can't see any Democratic Socialists not lamenting that lost possibility.

Yeah I mean socialists, communists, and anarchists when I say far left.
Socialists, communists and anarchists are certainly far left, but are not far left Dems, and that's what a Socialist Democrat is. Your group are literally just far left without much democracy in their ideologies.


Anarchists are not far left. They are simply far. That is the point of anarchism.

What? No. Anarchism has historically been a movement of the left. There is a school of thought called post-leftism though.
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Points: 67421 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2016 at 17:34
What about anarchchochcapiatalism though
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What about anarchchochcapiatalism though

it's a misnomer because it is not a part of that movement and assumes anarchism refers only to the state and not also capitalsim
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

At least the public can pee on his Hollywood star!!!! Why TF does he have a star in the first place?

People like reality TV. And he of course has two reality TV franchises: The Apprentice and The Donald Trump Presidential Campaign 2016.

Yeah, what talent does that prove he has? Stars are supposed to be for talent!!!!
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Points: 8642 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2016 at 19:10
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by LearsFool LearsFool wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

At least the public can pee on his Hollywood star!!!! Why TF does he have a star in the first place?

People like reality TV. And he of course has two reality TV franchises: The Apprentice and The Donald Trump Presidential Campaign 2016.

Yeah, what talent does that prove he has? Stars are supposed to be for talent!!!!

None. It's not really about talent. But at least it's something we can pick on to get under his thin skin.



More importantly, it is official: Tim Kaine will be Hillary's VP.


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Originally posted by LearsFool LearsFool wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by LearsFool LearsFool wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

At least the public can pee on his Hollywood star!!!! Why TF does he have a star in the first place?

People like reality TV. And he of course has two reality TV franchises: The Apprentice and The Donald Trump Presidential Campaign 2016.

Yeah, what talent does that prove he has? Stars are supposed to be for talent!!!!

None. It's not really about talent. But at least it's something we can pick on to get under his thin skin.



More importantly, it is official: Tim Kaine will be Hillary's VP.

Hmmm. Tim Kaine? Whatever. I have a buddy who's gonna go defacate on that star :P
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Points: 8642 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2016 at 21:47
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by LearsFool LearsFool wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by LearsFool LearsFool wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

At least the public can pee on his Hollywood star!!!! Why TF does he have a star in the first place?

People like reality TV. And he of course has two reality TV franchises: The Apprentice and The Donald Trump Presidential Campaign 2016.

Yeah, what talent does that prove he has? Stars are supposed to be for talent!!!!

None. It's not really about talent. But at least it's something we can pick on to get under his thin skin.



More importantly, it is official: Tim Kaine will be Hillary's VP.

Hmmm. Tim Kaine? Whatever. I have a buddy who's gonna go defacate on that star :P

Send my regards to your buddy. Beer
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Yeah, Clinton has done what many of us expected, and picked Kaine. 
VP doesn't really mean diddly to me, but I think it does showcase a canidate's psyche, and clearly sends a message.
Her choice of going moderate, safe, boring and dedicated Clinton lackey says it all. 

Shame she didn't go with Perez. A safe insider with real liberal cred, could've fired up the base and wouldn't cost the Dems a Senate seat (in a state with a Republican governor!). But hey, trying to achieve greater appeal is understandable, especially when the other candidate is trying his hardest to alienate as many people as possible. As a progressive I wanted to see more dedication, as a realist I get it's a sensible move to try and draw in moderates and disgusted Republicans. 



Speaking of....Trumpdora's box has finally been opened. 
David Duke, yes that one, has announced he's running for Senate to replace David Vitter (that nutcase in his own right). Now, Duke wont win but the fact he even is running, that he thinks it's acceptable to do so, is frightening. 
Also like a dozen people have entered the GOP side. The party better learn their lesson, pick one person, get the others to drop out at any cost, and rally behind that person early. Imagine David Duke winning a 5 way primary with like 22% of the voteDead
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Electing Trump won't be a complete disaster. Of course it has the potential for being a complete disaster for the USA and the World in general and there is little doubt that the PotUS's adoptive title of "Leader of the Free World" will take a serious beating, but in the long-term taking the USA down a peg or two won't be a universal "bad thing". In the eyes of the rest of the World Trump will most likely be the most unpopular US president of the modern era and whatever credibility that Obama gained for the USA on the World stage will be lost overnight, however a blunt truth here is we don't like how you behave very much anyway nor do we like your bully-boy approach to foreign affairs and commerce but we do like your money. Your exports are crap (seriously, they are - USA produced goods are the McDonald's of the manufacturing industry) but boy do we love the American dollar. World leaders will bend over backwards (and take one for the team) to ensure the dollars keep flowing regardless of who sits in the Oval office; and the US Administration (whoever the mandarins sitting behind the throne may be) will keep us sweet to maintain the USA as the prime arms-dealer of the World. [The hidden purpose of TTIP is not in what it is proposing, but in what is excluded - military procurement, which is regulated separately by ITAR - smoke and mirrors].

Maybe with Trump as president the American people will see themselves as others see them. It won't come as a huge surprise to the rest of the World if he is elected because in too many respects Trump is a cruel caricature of how many non-Americans view the USA - a distorted stereotype of how first GIs and then American tourists were perceived by the countries they visited (idiom generator: pick two adjectives at random, prefix them with "over-" and end with "and over here"). Perhaps it will be a wake-up call against complacency and the shake-up that American politics sorely needs. 

It could even be argued that Trump is a safer bet than Clinton (or anyone else come to that) because every one his many campaign promises are un-realisable in any practical sense - he will become embroiled in so many struggles with in his own Administration, his adoptive Republican party and with the Democrats that he will not be able to overcome with Executive Orders and Presidential Proclamations. He could be the most ineffectual US president in history, and given his character and dubious 'business' practices, he could be the most impeached.

Brexit has shown that you get what you deserve and perhaps the USA doesn't deserve better. Tongue


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Social democrats are liberals, which is a further right ideology than socialism, because it is capitalist.
Our discussion has turned into a debate regarding who is really the far left. Ideologies point to your group [socialists, communists and anarchists (?)] as the winner, while history will forever condemn them as losers that fostered nothing but failed totalitarian states like the USSR or poor dystopias like Cuba, all after subduing the masses with police states that enforced work camp labor while destroying dreaded capitalism.
This is the 21st century. Any modern socialist thinker would know that capitalism is not the problem of society, but the equitable distribution of it's profits is. Marx did not have a fix for this. People like Bernie do.  
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

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Social democrats are liberals, which is a further right ideology than socialism, because it is capitalist.
...Any modern socialist thinker would know that capitalism is not the problem of society, but the equitable distribution of it's profits is...  


Don't mistake the tree for the forest !

Call it capitalism or whatever suits better, the real problem is  the present predatory universal model of development will (and already is) leading us all to an inexorable ecological  armageddon in the not so far future.

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so quick informal poll in a thead...

over/under of the life of the Republican Party.  8 years.

was... as some have suggested. Like Bush himself. That he was perhaps the last Republican President. ( haha.. there is a some sort of cosmic justice in that potential closing statement of his Presidency and the Republican Party in general)

The party is dying..  I don't think you have to be especially prescient to see that...

“Republicans are going to send me a bill for smaller government and it contains eliminating Planned Parenthood? Give me a break,”

they have zero idea how to govern.. shown no ability to do so and their whole ideology is bankrupt.. if not outright contradictions and fantasy...

is it to be replaced by the Libertarian Party? Do they hit 15% this year. They definitely could. Setting themselves up as party to have something we haven't had a many many years.. a true 3 party race in 2020. Again giving the Presidency to the Democrats (Hillary) as the basic problem with the GOP in 2016 will get no better in 2020. They don't have good candidates.. no basis as a party other running 'against'. Be it Hillary or social progeression.  Thus in 2024... does the GOP finally crash and burn.. the victim of of its own lack of ideas and vision.  Watching the Libertarian Party closely this cycle... how many Republicans jump ship this cycle. It will likely only gain in traction as we go...

so what say you all...

8 years?
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