Steven Wilson Vs. Roine Stolt

Steve is a hypocrite. What about that relatively crappy album from '95 where he self-admittedly ripped off Floyd? What about in his latest song Luminol where he clearly uses the same influences that FK and TA use on their albums? This part in particular "here we all are born into a struggle..." sounds just like YES. 

Edited by anesthetize2112 - December 30 2012 at 14:59

liquidmcrex wrote: I think Steven was trying to save something along these lines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voneWBAzobE Your guys definition of Progressive I think is what is messing this whole thing up. Progressive (no rock) should be an development, evolution of things and ideas taken from the things in the pass. Steven isn't saying his music is progressive in that it is as grandeur and complicated as his forefathers, (although some of it arguably is) he's saying that it has incorporated new ideas and approaches while taking inspiration from the past music.                     A lot of you guys also seem to base the quality of music and it's musicians on how technically proficient they are. While some of my favorite musicians are virtuosos, I also love some music which is less complicated but seems to have in some cases more "heart" to it. Also he's been specifically asked about that band, so he specifically talks about them. Sure he comes across as a bit of a dick, and is maybe a bit too blunt. I certainly would have avoided naming specific bands but he clearly feels strong about the subject.                          Too many people are stuck in the past, I mean listening to classics/older music is great, but making music replicating that without new ideas is the problem. I mean some of you guys are the kind of people who complain about pop music repeating the same formulas, yet when "Progressive Rock" bands do it you don't criticize them at all. Regardless of whether you like his music he has a point does he not?

You really need to go back and read through the thread. All this has been covered.

not like i can add anything that hasn't already been made clear in this thread but i feel the need to say that Steven WIlson is a pretentious c**t and his music has always bored me incredibly.

sorry, i know this isn't much of a good contribution to discussion but i made the mistake of reading the OP.


Edited by Sumdeus - January 09 2013 at 15:51

richardh wrote: Sumdeus wrote: not like i can add anything that hasn't already been made clear in this thread but i feel the need to say that Steven WIlson is a pretentious c**t and his music has always bored me incredibly. sorry, i know this isn't much of a good contribution to discussion but i made the mistake of reading the OP. I think thats fine personally I find Stolt a raging bore of a musician. Its good we can get these things of our chests

*frinspar* wrote: Being a 7-year-old exchange, I wonder if things have changed. I don't follow much in the way of gossip when it comes to anything, even prog , so I don't know if this resolved itself or got worse. All I know is I enjoy music from both Wilson and Stolt, and I don't care for some music from both Wilson and Stolt.

letting Akerfeldt play guitar on your music only makes you more pretentious :P

Sumdeus wrote: letting Akerfeldt play guitar on your music only makes you more pretentious :P

However, I remember someone quoting Wilson saying that Akerfeldt would be the one playing on Storm Corrosion because he was by far the better player.

Ol' Stevie-boy lost my interest years ago.

I believe that he is trying way too hard to be edgy at the moment. SW's constructed personality manifests in his most recent music, and it sounds calculated and empty. Although editing the freely flowing vibes of the soul is essential in many forms of refined music, I feel as if the spirit of the source has been killed in his process. Disingenuous music is off-putting to me, and is simply a waste of time.

I have German TV interview with SW where he takes about 10 minutes (near as) to agree that P Tree area progressive rock act.

As far as I can tell Flower Kings and Transatlantic play symphonic prog rock. Not really enjoyed athing from SW (except Grace For Drowning) since Nil Recurring. His version of fusion seems not quite in the Al Di Meola standard of (WWWOOOOWWWW) for me. P Tree owe so much to Richard Barbieri.

To be progressive one has to subvert a form (so he is probably right about his choices). Shame I'm not keen on much Tool though I've yet to hear Lateralus. The Mars Volta, probably not my thing but not really heard much - a bit enough for me to say interesting. Radiohead? If he thinks so. Alt rock band (derivative of REM)...

I get much more out of hearing John Coltrane really. e.g. Psalm from A Love Supreme. The menacing tympani versus his sax has more interesting things than anything... oh, you mean prog pop music? Why does "now" have to be important? An older recording could be referenced and heard in a new context...

Mirror Image wrote: Now, those that read this, what do you think about it? Who's right? Who's wrong?

Steve Wilson is a "tool," in the phallic sense of the word. Roine Stolt does not only have his finger on the pulse of Prog in the 21st century; he is also the heir (or, rather, contemporary) of all the best prog guitarists that have ever graced the genre. Stolt is in an elite company of very few who "communicate" the vibe that is "prog" today...