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The Dark Elf 
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 Topic: The Terrorist Attack in Nice, France
Posted: July 14 2016 at 21:18 |
At least 80 innocent bystanders were killed when a terrorist drove a truck full of bombs and weaponry into hundreds of people celebrating Bastille Day. My sympathies to the families and to any of our brethren from France who post here on the forum.
This on the heels of the German government under-reporting the amount of rapes and sexual assaults that occurred last New Years Eve, and now we know the horrific toll is at least 1200 women were assaulted by nearly 2000 men, most of whom were foreign nationals.
And it was only a month ago that innocent people were slaughtered in a bar in Florida, not to mention the brutal attacks in Iraq, Pakistan and elsewhere.
When is enough enough? Do we keep erasing lines in the sand and burying the dead, pretending these are just isolated acts and not part of a greater movement? Were the British citizens who voted for the Brexit uneducated bigots as so many commentators have disdainfully poo-pooed, or were these voters' fears about immigration and what is happening in Europe valid?
Just asking questions.
Edited by The Dark Elf - July 14 2016 at 21:19
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Posted: July 14 2016 at 21:47 |
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So you want to turn this is into an immigration debate. Interesting.
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Posted: July 14 2016 at 21:55 |
 Atavachron wrote:
So you want to turn this is into an immigration debate. Interesting.
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Am I turning this into an immigration debate? Are there valid arguments to be made given the current circumstances? I don't know. But I will say that what's been done up to this point has failed miserably. All I know is that a Tunisian gentleman decided to kill 80 French men, women and children on the day celebrating French independence. I doubt it was coincidental.
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Posted: July 14 2016 at 22:21 |
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I don't like to get into this politcal debates on a music site generally but i can say that the attacks that have been happening in Europe are from homegrown citizens of other heritages. There have been many injustices perpetuated in the previous centuries and it seems that the eggs of those misdeeds have finally hatched and the newborn chick aren't happy. I live in a country that has commited more than its share of egregious atrocities in its history so for anyone not to see how 1 and 1 makes 2 makes them blind IMHO. Is it right for these things to happen? Of course not, but there are cosmic truths that when you oppress other nations for x amount of time, these things will happen. It's not rocket science. The universe has always been a dance of positive and negative forces and it is our individual choice upon which of these two divides we reside. There's no point dwelling on that which we cannot control. More prog, please. And, of course, all the best to all those affected. My energies are certainly directed towards the healing of those affected by such tragic events
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Posted: July 14 2016 at 23:04 |
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^ No, I fundamentally disagree, and your position seems resigned and disinterested, to be honest.
You equate "homegrown citizens of other heritages" (whatever that actually means) with the US's "share of egregious atrocities" but then don't clearly connect those two things. The Dallas shooter was an ex-army Texan; are you suggesting Americans of African descent should be lumped-in in with religious terrorists and anti-government fanatics? I'd be mighty careful there, and cosmic truths are useless to us unless they bring us closer to cultural progression.
And this is General Discussions, 'more prog' is irrelevant.
We stand with France against the cowards of Europe who would kill unarmed bystanders.
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JJLehto
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Posted: July 14 2016 at 23:16 |
Very disturbing. Any mass loss of life is of course horrifying but the manner in which this was done...so brutal, and I read he drove over a mile through the crowd. Absolutely disgusting.
My pained heart is with Nice and France which is really having a god awful time.
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Posted: July 14 2016 at 23:29 |
As for politics, well all I'll say is what I always say. Hope the reaction isn't too knee jerk, because for lack of better words, that is what these monsters want. To have us abandon what we pride ourselves on, our Western culture, to wall off and to fight...extremists often want a war, they believe in the clash of civilizations and welcome the fight. They want to die, they want us to keep the cycle going, constantly creating new terrorists as we kill them. This situation is so complex and global, IDK...how is walling off gunna stop it? There is always a way, and in exchange for this not making us any safer will be millions of poor people left trapped/sent back to places with little opportunity, and threatened themselves by these ugly people. Ya know, the very reasons they are fleeing.
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 00:49 |
And this horror happened July 14th, our national day 
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 01:00 |
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Peace be with you, French brothers!
The earth is doomed if we don't stop this pointless, stupid machine machine of aggression and hate. We are all brothers and sisters.
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 02:13 |
Modrigue wrote:
And this horror happened July 14th, our national day
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Absolutely not a coincidence, I'm sure. Stand strong. They are hitting when they expect it'll rattle the country's psyche the most.
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 05:24 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
So you want to turn this is into an immigration debate. Interesting.
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Am I turning this into an immigration debate? Are there valid arguments to be made given the current circumstances? I don't know. But I will say that what's been done up to this point has failed miserably. All I know is that a Tunisian gentleman decided to kill 80 French men, women and children on the <span style="line-height: 1.4;">day celebrating French independence. I doubt it was coincidental.</span>
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Tunisian in origin, but I thought he was French? He was a local man with a French ID card.
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 05:28 |
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Utter cowardice, over again.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 05:29 |
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It's virtually impossibe to prevent these kind of attacks. If the authorities can't stop attacks carried out by those already known to them, they have little to know chance of stopping random citizens simply hiring a lorry and running people over.
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 08:06 |
Atavachron wrote:
^ No, I fundamentally disagree, and your position seems resigned and disinterested, to be honest.
You equate "homegrown citizens of other heritages" (whatever that actually means) with the US's "share of egregious atrocities" but then don't clearly connect those two things.
Perhaps i've delved into things more than you have. There is a history going back quite some time of France and other Western powers interfering, colonizing and exploiting various regions around the globe. Once occupied it's not like these occupiers treat the occupied very well. This history doesn't just disappear once they leave and the tales of injustice are passsed down from one generation to another and becomes incorporated into the very fabric of DNA of the descendents of the formerly occupied. Add to that some fanatacism under the guise of a spiritual practice and you have a recipe for exactly what has been happening not to mention the economic inequalities that create stagnant pools of resentment. After having listened to literally hundreds of hours of whistleblower testimonies there is more than enough evidence that many of these so-called terrorist cells are manufactured and funded by financial institions in the West. It has also been revealed that there indeed have been programs that have engaged in the manipulation of the mind in order to create terrorists from individuals who would never engage in such things otherwise. Sounds tinfoil hat territory i understand but i'm convinced there is something much more clandestine going down.
The Dallas shooter was an ex-army Texan; are you suggesting Americans of African descent should be lumped-in in with religious terrorists and anti-government fanatics? I'd be mighty careful there, and cosmic truths are useless to us unless they bring us closer to cultural progression.
The Dallas shooter like any other 'terrorist' is responding to something that occured before. In this case it's a no brainer that the ceaseless killing of African Americans at the hands of police in the US will create lone wolves who feel that they need to strike back. Cosmic truths are never useless, that's why they are called truths. The fact is not everyone wants to follow them which is why much of the world is has difficulties finding that elusive cultural progression.
And this is General Discussions, 'more prog' is irrelevant.
'More prog' is NEVER irrelevant! One of the purproses of these sorts of attacks to install fear and change the emotional body of all of us. One of the best things we can do to ensure that the desired effects of these sorts of attacks aren't successful is by engaging in building up our happiness levels and piece of mind. The dementers of doom who plot and carry these things out are in effect basically 'fear farmers' and when we engage in releasing fearful emtions it feeds the dark powers that operate behind the scene.
We stand with France against the cowards of Europe who would kill unarmed bystanders.
OUI, monsieur! We do stand with them all. Vive la France! One of my favorite countries
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 08:13 |
Blacksword wrote:
It's virtually impossibe to prevent these kind of attacks. If the authorities can't stop attacks carried out by those already known to them, they have little to know chance of stopping random citizens simply hiring a lorry and running people over.
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I agree. The Western powers simply need to atone their past 'sins' and create the conditions of healing of the societal and world relations that will tamp down the resentment and suffering brought on by hundreds of years of exploitation. I mean what would you call the illegal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan by the US, UK and affiliate nations except terrorism. To be honest, i'm surprised that these aren't happening on a daily basis.
Unfortunately, this will continue to get worse and there's absolutely anyone can do to stop someone from killing masses of people at any given moment if the perpetraitor is willing to sacrifice his/her own life. Unfortunately the reactions to these horrible events is that the governments of the double down on many of the policies that are creating these things in the first place.
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 08:37 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
It's virtually impossibe to prevent these kind of attacks. If the authorities can't stop attacks carried out by those already known to them, they have little to know chance of stopping random citizens simply hiring a lorry and running people over.
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I agree. The Western powers simply need to atone their past 'sins' and create the conditions of healing of the societal and world relations that will tamp down the resentment and suffering brought on by hundreds of years of exploitation. I mean what would you call the illegal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan by the US, UK and affiliate nations except terrorism. To be honest, i'm surprised that these aren't happening on a daily basis.
Unfortunately, this will continue to get worse and there's absolutely anyone can do to stop someone from killing masses of people at any given moment if the perpetraitor is willing to sacrifice his/her own life. Unfortunately the reactions to these horrible events is that the governments of the double down on many of the policies that are creating these things in the first place. |
I'm sure there are complex geo-political reasons why we went after those countries, especially Iraq, which have nothing to do with countering terrorism. I find it odd that Iran is demonised so much as a terrorist threat when the terror threat we face originates from a different faction of Islam altogether in Saudi, who are supposed to be allies. If we look at the broader picture, I imagine that the reason we're so opposed to Assad in Syria and the Iranian leadership is because they are allied to Russia. We are effectivey at war with Russia by proxy. Not a popular view, I suspect.
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 08:55 |
I really think that there is just no way to combat this.
Like, to actually fight it, no. Now that the system of attack, to call it that way, has been brought down to the ground, to the most common, to using trucks which none can monitor, the only thing remaining is pre-attack subject intelligence, which has as we have seen proved quite difficult to undertake (or to quickly act upon).
And if we go in stronger force against targets in the middle east, we radicalize more of them.
If we discriminate, isolate, ghetto-ate foreigners, we radicalize them, and others abroad.
This is unwinnable.
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 09:07 |
Blacksword wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
It's virtually impossibe to prevent these kind of attacks. If the authorities can't stop attacks carried out by those already known to them, they have little to know chance of stopping random citizens simply hiring a lorry and running people over.
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I agree. The Western powers simply need to atone their past 'sins' and create the conditions of healing of the societal and world relations that will tamp down the resentment and suffering brought on by hundreds of years of exploitation. I mean what would you call the illegal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan by the US, UK and affiliate nations except terrorism. To be honest, i'm surprised that these aren't happening on a daily basis.
Unfortunately, this will continue to get worse and there's absolutely anyone can do to stop someone from killing masses of people at any given moment if the perpetraitor is willing to sacrifice his/her own life. Unfortunately the reactions to these horrible events is that the governments of the double down on many of the policies that are creating these things in the first place. |
I'm sure there are complex geo-political reasons why we went after those countries, especially Iraq, which have nothing to do with countering terrorism.
I find it odd that Iran is demonised so much as a terrorist threat when the terror threat we face originates from a different faction of Islam altogether in Saudi, who are supposed to be allies.
If we look at the broader picture, I imagine that the reason we're so opposed to Assad in Syria and the Iranian leadership is because they are allied to Russia.
We are effectivey at war with Russia by proxy. Not a popular view, I suspect. |
The reasons things are done aren't as complicated as it may seem. A lot of it has to do with not only resource extraction but also to force countries into pegging the US dollar as the global currency as well as making them take out loans from institutions such as the IMF so that they can become endebted.
The whole Islam fearmongering is a total sham. The faction of the financial markets that have ties to Wall Street are nothing more than a crime syndicate who creates and trains terrorist cells to carry out attacks when governments have the gall to create policies with their financial hegemonic ambitions.
You're right about Russia but this was manufactured by the US after WW2. The Soviet Union were our allies but then we suddenly needed an enemy to continue the profitable war economy and we have been at war with someone somewhere every since. The fact is the so-called cabalistic forces of the world have been creating these wars and skirmishes in order to manufacture and profit off of the sales of weaponry to both sides. In effect our 'democracies' if you will were hijacked long ago and we are now seeing through the veil of deceipt as we enter a new age of information overload.
I could literally go on for hours about the minutia of how one thing leads to another but i would say that there are two major events that occured in US history that many of the entire planet's problems can be traced to. Firstly, after the abolition of slavery in the US, the Supreme Court immediately granted personhood to corporations which allows an eternal, non-human entity to have equal protection as humans. These monsters have had a century and a half to accumulate mass wealth and are now de facto nations that affect the decisions and outcome of any government's attempt to solve the problems at hand. Secondly is the fact that Woodrow Wilson handed over the US Federal Reserve in 1913 which basically gave away the public finance center to the banksters on Wall Street. Yadda yaada and blah blah blah and we have a world where a very few dark riders who care nothing about humanity are literally calling the shots from behind closed doors. Every terrorist attack, every swath of environmental degredation, every roadblock to unleashing free energy and a peaceful world can be traced back to only a few families and a few key moments in the time line. As much as i condemn all the terrorist attacks i only want more people to see the bigger picture and the context and background from which all these things are tied. Nothing is isolated and everything is connected but nothing is hopeless as the pendulum is swinging the other way and the fact that these attacks occur more often shows that there is definately a backlash by the elite and their puppets who do their dirty work on the ground. I know these may sound like a rant to some but if you really delve into these things it makes a whole lot of senses. BTW the Syria thing is a complex thing but it does have a lot to do with Russia. Putin has been key in unifying the BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) to create an alternative currency to crash the US dollar and break the strangehold domination of US based financial elites. They are having some success. In the end, we are all pawns to a much larger picture. The greatest thing i have found to bring about world peace is to simply educate myself to the point where i control my energies and do not allow them to be controled and manipulated for the benefit of these dark forces
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 09:27 |
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^^^ I agree with some of that.
I don't know enough history regarding the Fed Reserve to comment further, although I'm aware it is a private bank (not federal at all)
The elephant in the room is Russia IMO. If one does their homework and reads a lot of foreign media and some indie media you'll see how NATO and the EU have expanded ever further towards Russias borders in the last 30 years or so, and how both sides are apparently preparing for a potential showdown. If the proxy wars don't achieve what the west wants, then who knows what happens next....? I think our governments and media are keeping the full gravity of the current situation regarding Russia from us, and letting us fret over Muslims, cops killing black people and economic shocks. If we knew where the world could be going then the civil unrest we've seen so far will seem good natured and frendly in comparison.
The BRICs coalition is a challenge to the World Bank and IMF and the EU/US axis. That is for certain. Half of the world wants the planet run one way and the other half has a different vision. It's like two drunks wrestling for control of the steering wheel of a large truck, in the dark.
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 09:36 |
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We should in my opinion be a bit careful before calling this incident, however sad and tragic it is, a "terrorist attack". The truck driver was a petty criminal; maybe he transported something illegal in that truck, tried to sidetrack more busy roads (it is still unclear how he happened to be on that road at all since it was allegedly blocked) panicked when the police tried to stop him and thus created a massacre. I would not rule out that possibility yet.
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