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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2016 at 13:25
Nah, I honestly don't think many people expected charges, Scott.  Certainly some will feign outrage and act like they do, but I think most people expected it to end just this way.  A stern wrist slap about her lack of judgement on the matter, but no prosecution. 

I cannot believe my country's major party choices in this election.  Both, are absolutely disgusting people to me.  Absolute embarrassment is what both parties should be feeling if they had any integrity. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2016 at 14:12
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Nah, I honestly don't think many people expected charges, Scott.  Certainly some will feign outrage and act like they do, but I think most people expected it to end just this way.  A stern wrist slap about her lack of judgement on the matter, but no prosecution. 

I cannot believe my country's major party choices in this election.  Both, are absolutely disgusting people to me.  Absolute embarrassment is what both parties should be feeling if they had any integrity. 
I am in a leadership program at work wherein I have to attend monthly webinars.  Last Friday's webinar was regarding integrity and essentially the first thing that the instructor said was how low our integrity standards have come within the US and all that you have to do is look at the two political parties to see that these folks could definitely use a refresher course in what it means to have integrity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2016 at 14:24
^ That boat has sailed ....there hasn't been much integrity in politics on either side for a long time going back many decades imho.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2016 at 14:40
I'm not the slightest bit surprised. The FBI's recommendation was absolutely appropriate: noting the carelessness (really they should all have known better) but absent criminal intent or ensuing harm criminal charges were not appropriate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2016 at 16:22
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

^ That boat has sailed ....there hasn't been much integrity in politics on either side for a long time going back many decades imho.

Given that I just watched Mr. Smith Goes to Washington with Jimmy Stewart from 1939, I would say that integrity has been waning for quite awhile. Particularly when certain politicians (including 45 senators) during the time tried to get the film banned as anti-American and pro-Communist (even though Mr. Smith spends most of the film in a filibuster reading from the U.S. Constitution).  

Humorously enough, the film was banned in Hitler's Germany, Franco's Spain and Mussolini's Italy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2016 at 17:11
Given how many times that the IRS' website has been hacked and infiltrated, one wonders if it really would have been any safer to keep the emails and servers under government control.  I'm not sure who it was common knowledge to that she used separate servers.  I didn't know.  Maybe the Russians and Chinese did? 

Interestingly, while I agree that there was likely no criminal intent to share state secrets illegally with enemies of the state...that doesn't necessarily disprove that there wasn't intent (criminal or otherwise) to hide certain fundraising activities for certain Clinton foundations in exchange for favors.  (I'm not saying that this has or hasn't occurred, but I believe this to be the other "crooked" activity that she has been accused of). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2016 at 17:19
Do we really believe American politics are more crooked, warped, and debased than fifty years ago with JFK and LBJ and Little Ricky Nixon?   Yeah I don't think so, read your history.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2016 at 17:45
^  You can trace crooked politics a lot further back than 1960.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2016 at 18:21
Originally posted by TeleStrat TeleStrat wrote:

^  You can trace crooked politics a lot further back than 1960.
 
crooked politics is probably the world's second oldest profession.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2016 at 18:25
And like the first oldest profession it involves screwing people.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2016 at 00:13
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:


And like the first oldest profession it involves screwing people.


Whores are far more honest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2016 at 04:42
I had an escape plan incase the trash talking Trump is voted in as King of America, by the bigoted extremists, but that "escape plan country" seems to have gone the in the same direction. It's either total exclusion or globalization, and frankly, I'm too old for this nonsense. It's a sad state of affairs, but I hope that after Brexit, Americans will learn that votes do count and that everyone is aware of the stakes involved this time around.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2016 at 09:08
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Nah, I honestly don't think many people expected charges, Scott.  Certainly some will feign outrage and act like they do, but I think most people expected it to end just this way.  A stern wrist slap about her lack of judgement on the matter, but no prosecution. 

I cannot believe my country's major party choices in this election.  Both, are absolutely disgusting people to me.  Absolute embarrassment is what both parties should be feeling if they had any integrity. 

I agree Jim, I doubt anyone in Washington, DC expected any charges to be handed down to the Clinton clan.

Her behavior is putrid at best for a person who held such a high profile office in government. I honestly feel FBI Director Comey was completely disturbed by her actions and you could sense his struggle in his comments about her.

I vomit in my mouth thinking that she will go down in our history books as the first female President of the US, possibly.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2016 at 01:56
Oh yeah, I am sorry to say it but anyone who thought she would be indicted was delusional or just engaged in very wishful thinking. I'm not saying she should've been or anything, just was never happening regardless.
It's not even some grand conspiracy, I said a while ago the FBI is not gunna, basically, throw this race into chaos. Despite all the rebuttals of "they will do what they feel is right/not let politics influence" etc etc I maintained this is naive. There's also the fact that perhaps, there simply wasn't realistic grounds for it. 

This doesn't help her image though. Dedicated Dems and Reps already had their minds made up on Clinton years and years ago, but those who aren't will see this as just one more "where there's smoke there's fire" incident. And this can't be blamed on the vast right wing (and now add the left) conspiracy...this came from the FBI. Many people won't take this as a "oh OK that settles it" but a reinforcement of the negative image she has. Lots of people have been posting things like "If I was charged with (all the things Comey said) I'd be in huge trouble, as would most people" and ya know...they are probably right. 

While it may be sincerely unrelated, it was also a major gaffe for Bill to visit Lynch...given what was going on, the image people have of the Clinton's and this campaign especially targeting their integrity, you'd really think he'd have been more cautious. Maybe think hmmmmmm this will look pretty bad, husband of someone being investigated by the FBI meeting privately with the AG...maybe I should hold off on this. 

I was never a huge fan of Clinton (Bill) and I used to be neutral on Hillary but this campaign has really brought out some darkness, least in my book. His carelessness shows a real arrogance and I get politics is politics but how abruptly and intensely the two of them can 180 and triangulate...the mountain of skeletons piling up in their closet and how it's not exactly been reported on, it all has started to stink very badly. 

I don't know, the name Clinton to me has become the textbook definition of "Climbed the mountain of sh*t to get to the rose at top, just to realize you lost the ability to smell" and sadly, it seems this can be increasingly said for my party. The Democrats seem to have lost what it even means to be one. My faith was severely shaken after seeing how they squandered a rare opportunity, and the influence of $$ on them, I regained hope this cycle but was again disgusted by the actions of the DNC and party overall. I won't get back into it, but I dont see a great future for the party. 





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2016 at 09:11
^ Remember the Clinton Whitewater real estate controversy that came to public attention in the early 90's, that also involved the FBI. Although I think they did not do anything to them as again, not enough to cause any sort of conviction.
What did happen was their partners took the fall and spent time in jail while Bill and Hillary lived in the ARK gov mansion. So lets see.....
Whitewater
Troopergate
Travelgate
Filegate
Vince Foster's death
Bengazi
Emailgate
Bill lying to the public about his affairs

This has nothing to do with politics but more with how this family has been screwing over the US people over the past 40yrs.....

I just puked on my keyboard....Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2016 at 09:24
47 people linked with the Clintons are dead, many just before testifying.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2016 at 10:53
I am not a legal expert, nor is foreign policy my strong suit...when Benghazi happened my initial thought was, while tragic, these things happen when we go overseas, and it's not like there wasn't sh*t covered up by Bush, and other administrations. So I thought the flak they gave Obama for it, and now Clinton, was just politics. 

From all the legit sources I've read, it sounds like legally...there probably wasn't any realistic basis for an indictment. 
I just was saying this, right or wrong, adds more fuel to the fire. Some of the Clinton skeletons are legit (the arms deals given to countries/people who donated to the Clinton Foundation, or her flip on support for a trade deal after an oil company donation upset me particularly) but many others are crap. 
We keep hearing how she's "been through it" and is "tested" by Repubs who have beat her up for 20 years..honestly I think a lot of that is fluff and politics, I think she's struggled to cope with new, legitimate critics from the left...mainly her moneyed ties. 

Anyway I was gunna say not sure how many of those "gates" are truly scandals, I do agree though it's less about politics and more about integrity. I really have become disturbed by the Clinton's and pray their influence will slowly be removed from the party. If Clinton becomes President, well...I don't really see that happening. Thus why I didn't really buy all the "hold tight, be patient, Warren will be the future of the party" stuff, it's not like a baton legacy, influence (money and political) will be left over. If Clinton behaves as we expect, I don't think we'll get to see true liberal politics, least any time soon. 
If she proves me wrong and sticks her guns and compromises forward (instead of neutrally or worse back) and does allow the progressive wing the influence they deserve, I will gladly admit I'm wrong. Just not sure if that'll happen. 

With how inept the GOP has become and the Dems increasingly showing a fissure beginning, on a non election year, let's say 2019 we need to just sit down and have a new convention, and create a multi party system with proportional votingLOL I see 4 legitimate parties forming, perhaps now 5 since (sadly) Paleocons and nativism seem to be a real force now. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2016 at 11:07
Good read, Brian....I would add that Mukasey's very public and different take from Comey is interesting. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2016 at 11:19
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Good read, Brian....I would add that Mukasey's very public and different take from Comey is interesting. 

Read that this morning, very interesting comments about interpretation of "gross negligence". We are talking about Washington DC and the influence of power, she is not the first politician to be put above the law.

You have to think that any other politician running for public office would step out after something like this coming to light. How many have stepped out because they were caught cheating, lying or in some bad business deal that was deemed un-ethical behavior.
I just don't get how she can continue to campaign with a clear conscience and heart....Find another candidate!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2016 at 11:22
Btw I wanna say the Bill impeachment thing I don't hold against him and in fact, have always felt that was a shameful display of politics. Was it bad? Did he lie? Yes but c'mon...to try and impeach a PotUS over it?? Especially after so many big name GOPers had their own...sexual misgivings. How can we forget Mark Sanford? Or Newt, didn't he divorce his wife while she was in the hospital with cancer? Real family values to teach the kids there. So that's not really a scandal, nor is Benghazi to me. The emails are alot more questionable and disturbing, but yeah like I said it's been more $ tie scandals that have really disturbed me. This is rarely covered, and the GOP wont go there since they have their own $ ties of course

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