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Certif1ed
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 16:13 |
tuxon wrote:
Where's the morality gone. Where are the knights to uphold the high ethical standart. Where is the spanish inquisition when you need them most.
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No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!
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threefates
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 15:41 |
Reed Lover wrote:
[QUOTE=threefates
Its not in Main Discussions... nor is it put in context... supposedly its in London...
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Oh I see so I have carte-blanche to post anything here ?
Oh goody!
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What?? Are you trying to tell me that you've been controlling yourself so far ???
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THIS IS ELP
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tuxon
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 15:09 |
I once made a joke about a black person. Everybody explained that it was racism. My reply: are black lesser than us, that we can't make jokes about them for that's what I call racism.
Of course when you are deliberatly offending people that's a different story.
I'm very much against anything that has the purpose of putting other people down. And editing your posts so it does not offence someone, is putting them down, for you make the assumption they will not recognise the intend you have in mind. That's called thinking for someone else.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 15:02 |
Any discrimination based simply on race or color is barbarous, we care not how hallowed it be by custom, expedience, or prejudice.
I'm really not such an idiot that I don't realize that if a man calls me a nigger, it's his fault the first time, but mine if he has the opportunity to do it again. Nella Larsen (1891 - 1964) US novelist, nurse, and librarian.
It must be realized that racism is more serious than sexism. Black people are often killed for no reason other than they are Black. Racism is to sexism what cancer is to a toothache.
Racism is an ism to which everyone in the world today is exposed; for or against, we must take sides. And the history of the future will differ accordingly to the decision which we make.
Spain fined for racist chanting |
Ashley Cole was subjected to abuse from the Spanish crowd | Fifa has fined the Spanish Football Federation £44,750 after several England players were racially abused during last month's friendly in Madrid.
England duo Shaun Wright-Phillips and Ashley Cole were the prime victims during the game on 17 November.
Fifa's disciplinary panel also took into account the racist abuse which surfaced the previous night at the Under-21 game between the two nations.
Spain were also warned that any repeat would result in heavier punishment.
In a statement, Fifa stated that Spain could face the prospect of playing behind closed doors or possible expulsion from one or several of their competitions.
But anti-racism campaign group Kick It Out feels the punishment does not go far enough.
"Our immediate reaction is this judgment doesn't go far enough," said Piara Powar, the group's director and spokesman.
"We would have expected for the Spanish to be forced to play behind closed doors and warned about any incidents of racism at future games."
Fifa had vowed in their statement that "the Spanish football association or their relevant representative team may be forced to play behind closed doors or face exclusion from Fifa competitions if these offences are repeated".
But Powar insisted: "That cuts little ice. This is no worse than a slap on the wrist.
"We are talking about one of the major European football nations here. This is not an impoverished football association.
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The Spanish FA have been given a yellow card, not the red that many would have expected
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They could afford a heavier fine, they should have been made to play behind closed doors, which as a footballing nation is the worst that can happen. It kills the atmosphere and revenue is lost.
"The chanting that night was deeply offensive and demeans human beings.
"This is simply not good enough by Fifa. It shows some governing bodies do not have a concerted approach to dealing with racism."
Gordon Taylor, chief executive of the Professional Footballers' Association, admitted he was surprised at how lenient the punishment was.
"I think the general feeling in England will be one that the sanction is far too lenient, and I would be one of those who thinks that way," he said.
"The Spanish FA have been given a yellow card, not the red that many would have expected.
"But a point has been made by Fifa. The Spanish FA may consider themselves to have been lightly treated and they have an opportunity to get their house in order."
The English FA were not as critical as either Powar or Taylor but hinted they were disappointed with the punishment.
"The FA stated very clearly that it was ultimately Fifa's responsibility to determine what disciplinary action should be taken," said a statement.
"The FA must accept Fifa's decision to fine the Spanish FA £44,750.
"The FA is firmly committed to fighting racism in football at all levels of the game.
"We will continue to adopt a zero tolerance approach to any racist behaviour in English football and whenever any of our teams play abroad.
"Racism is the scourge of the game and it is the responsibility of all who care about football to do everything within their power to eradicate it."
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tuxon
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:52 |
Where's the morality gone. Where are the knights to uphold the high ethical standart. Where is the spanish inquisition when you need them most.
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gdub411
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:52 |
Actually I find the pic even more offensive and Sigod saying this is what he sees in his backyard is just tasteless.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:48 |
My love is pale A perfect shade of fear Balled up on the floor In need We turned away the sun Cold, empty, alone Embrace the violence The saints are silent God won't perform here anymore
(Kull/Weston)
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gdub411
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:44 |
I am sorry Danbo...you know I like ya, but I find nothing amusing about racism.
Maybe I should start an Amos and Andy thread for kicks.
If there were any black proggers , they're running for the door about now!!
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Dead Jester
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:32 |
Here we go again
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:30 |
Outside it is blue and green And everything once blurred is clear I am part of the peripheral scene That shines like cathedral glass
The sun breathes against the window But its warmth just fades away The humming road whispers low
(Kull/Weston)
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gdub411
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:29 |
Working at UPS allows me the good fortune to have met quite a few african americans. I am proud to say I have quite a few friends who are black because of the experience. Let me just say if they saw this thread it would be an enormous understatement when I say they wouldn't be amused!!
I have alot of gay friends who would also find this thread despicable.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:20 |
Wow, awful quiet all of a sudden!
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Reed Lover
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:10 |
[QUOTE=threefates
Its not in Main Discussions... nor is it put in context... supposedly its in London...
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Oh I see so I have carte-blanche to post anything here ?
Oh goody!
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tuxon
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:10 |
I understand what you mean. I thought danbo's story added well to it. setting us in our place at using that picture.
I quoted the photoghraph, with a little remark. I thought the pic. to be little over the edge myself. I shouldn't have quoted it..
I will delete it. with my apologies to all who took offence.
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threefates
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:04 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Cool. This is what I see with my curtains open...
(Picture Deleted - Just for you R-boy)
Property prices are sh*t in this part of London.
Now this picture is pornographic, yet it is still here!
I dont see the fascists queuing up to complain!
Plus ca change...plus c'est la meme chose!
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Its not in Main Discussions... nor is it put in context... supposedly its in London...
Edited by threefates
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THIS IS ELP
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Reed Lover
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 14:03 |
tuxon wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
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I thought it was an amusing story by danbo, what was wrong with it.
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Look at the whole page Tux. Looks great to any noobs. Hope they are all white!
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tuxon
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 13:59 |
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I thought it was an amusing story by danbo, what was wrong with it.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 13:55 |
sigod wrote:
tuxon wrote:
I have no need for a Christmas tree, I just leave my curtains open.
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Cool. This is what I see with my curtains open...
Property prices are sh*t in this part of London.
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Now this picture is pornographic, yet it is still here!
I dont see the fascists queuing up to complain!
Plus ca change...plus c'est la meme chose!
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Dead Jester
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 13:53 |
NO HITCHHIKERS IN HERE !!!!
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Reed Lover
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Posted: December 21 2004 at 13:51 |
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